Image talk:Fi garamond sort 001.png

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[edit] What letters are in this glyph?

This page says this is an fi ligature (which it certainly looks like to the modern eye), but Movable type, Ligature (typography) and History of western typography claim it is an si ligature. Can someone knowledgeable clarify? Notthe9 18:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

As I wrote in the image page notes, "This is actually a long-s - i ligature piece. File should be renamed "Garamond type longs-i ligature.jpg".

The person who uploaded the original image named it (and perhaps identified it) incorrectly. f-i ligature has a bar on the f, like a singular f glyph. This particualr long s form is an example of corrupted letter design that became atrophied (permanently warped). Long s started out in the fifteenth century with a descending stem that curled back, ie: a long s form. Within a couple of centuries punchcutters managed to corrupt the form by shortening the descending stem and doing away with the back-curl. Adding the lump at the x-line on the left side of the stem made it look even more like an f.

The image file name is misleading and incorrect. But since image files cannot be "moved" (renamed), the original and the cropped version need to be uploaded again as renamed files "Garamond type longs-i ligature.jpg" and "Garamond type longs-i ligature.png".

I'm not willing to do the neccessary work because I've already contributed heaps by writing the History of type and Movable type, and made additions and improvements to Typography, Font, et al. The contributor who uploaded the original image should fix his own mistake. Unfortunately I repeated his mistake in naming the cropped version I uploaded.

Arbo talk 13:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

This is most defently the Dutch letter ij upside down Mach10 07:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Are the serifs in the proper position for that? -- Richard Daly 00:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)