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What a poor article ....

Not a word on Jan Linssen, Puck van Heel, Ove Kindvall, Coen Moulijn (487!! games played for Feyenoord), Wim Jansen, Wim van Hanegem ... Nothing on the most famous matches like the 9-4 win against Ajax in the sixties, the defeat against Eusebio's Benfica, the triumph against Celtic and Spurs, Borussia. No anecdotes: for example Eddy Treytels "pigeon kick", Van Daele' spectacles. Nothing on the history of the Kuip - built in 1937!

Only a reference to (I agree, infamous) an irrelevant episode (Beverwijk) in this great club's history.

I do hope somebody can do better than this.

Hand in hand kameraden ...

Van een Rotterdammer in Azie

You're free to add everything you know and think should be mentioned to the article. Aecis praatpaal 20:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

The away kit of Feyenoord Rotterdam for 2005/2006 are white shirts,white shorts,and white socks.



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[edit] Het Legioen

82.156.71.55, as a Dutchman (living in Breda), you very well know that Feyenoord's nickname is not Het Legioen. The supporters are called that way, but not the club itself, so "Het Legioen" has no place whatsoever in the infobox. It only belongs in the article proper, where it is. Aecis 7 July 2005 11:56 (UTC)

I live in The Hague

[edit] The shirts

The colours of the shirts are in the wrong order,It's a white left sleeze,red left half of the shirt,white right half of the shirt,and a red right sleeze,the away shirt for 2005/2006 is all white,shirts,shorts and socks.

  • Fixed :-) Aecis 16:52, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Detailing the shirt

I'm a die-hard Feyenoord fan,and i want to know if you can detail the shirt,If this is possible,(you probably know the emblem)the shirt sponsor is Fortis,and the kit sponsor is Kappa,I can email you a picture of a Feyenoord shirt,but i don't know Wikipedia's email adress.

  • If you can find a non-copyrighted picture of the shirt, you can upload it to Wikipedia and add it to this article. It´s not possible to make the picture in the infobox any more detailed, because it is a standard template. Aecis 13:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

How do you upload to Wikipedia?

  • You can upload the non-copyrighted picture here. Remember: the picture can be added to the article about Feyenoord, but not to the infobox. Aecis 14:13, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Kameraden

I also want to put the English translation of 'Kameraden' in the infobox,but(as a Dutchman) i don't know how to spell 'Kameraden' in English.

  • The English translation would be Comrades, but I think that has too much of a communist flavour. What we're looking for is some English word with the meaning "unconditional friends till death do us part." I haven't thought of one just yet. Aecis 09:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Are Friends,Buddies and Pals good alternatives?

  • I personally don't think they are alternatives, because buddy and pal are very informal, while friend is a very general term. I think [chum] comes closest. Aecis 15:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Transfers

Didn't Leonardo,Magrao and Kalou already had a transfer?

  • Leonardo probably won't play for Feyenoord anymore, Magrao has been put on the transfer list and Kalou will probably go to PSV, but nothing has officially been announced yet. Aecis 17:28, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Keeper's kit

Can't the keepers kit (black shirt,black shorts and black socks) appear in the infobox?


[edit] Feijenoord Stadion

If Feyenoord is spelled Feyenoord,why is their stadium spelled as Feijenoord Stadion?

  • Because the stadium was named after the former name of the club, not after the current name. Aecis 09:08, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
  • The stadium isn't called Feijenoord Stadion. If you look at the pictures on, for example Google, you can see it's called "Stadion Feyenoord" and I should know.

[edit] Anti @j@x website

I hate and I mean Hate those (.......) arrogant (....),who think that they're even better then Pelé and Maradona (when he was thin) combined,But where can i build my own Anti-@j@x website?


[edit] The emblem

In which season the golden F in the Feyenoord emblem turned white?

  • 2002/03 I reckon*


[edit] Be nice

Be nice WHY THE F*CK SHOULD I BE NICE IF I HATE *J*X Because you should be above them. Ajax sucks, ok, but why use all these cursewords? We don't want another Beverwijk. Really, we don't.You have a point,but I still hate them,and they're arrogant and spoiled.

[edit] Away Shirt

The away shirt has a green collar.

[edit] Photo

Could somebody identify the players in the photo I uploaded? deeptrivia (talk) 01:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm a Feyenoord-fan,I probably could recognise them if the photo's aren't too old

I took this photo about two years ago, give it a try. deeptrivia (talk) 13:02, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

If you mean the one while their practising,from left to right it's ?,Leonardo(dos Santos),Kees van Wonderen,(Bonaventure)Kalou,Patrick Paauwe,Paul Bosvelt and Shinji Ono with,I think it's Van Persie behind him.

Could the one on the far left of the picture be Thomas Buffel? Aecis praatpaal 20:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Famous Feyenoord fans

Does anyone know more famous Feyenoord fans?


[edit] Ron Vlaar

This hasn't to do anything with the page,but it wasn't smart of Feyenoord to buy Vlaar,the selection already has 28 players,and 12 of them played only 5 games or less

[edit] Leonardo

Leonardo has been sold to NAC, not loaned out.

[edit] Timothy Derijck

Added a new Wikipedia article about Timothy Derijck. Makes the Feyenoord Rotterdam article more complete (I think) feel free to check it out an make sufestions! Mariah-Yulia 17:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


Shit,Feyenoord plays against CENSORED in the play-offs,I thought,finally after 5 seasons we won all games in a season of CENSORED,but then we have to play against CENSORED again,but that means also against(way too modest to play for CENSORED)Klaas Jan Stuntelaar.

[edit] Włodzimierz Smolarek

Added him to the list of famous Feyenoord players, as (although already somewhat over his top in his time at Feyenoord) he has had a far more established carreer as for instance his son, Eusebiusz....

[edit] Shirt sponsoring

--Tsjipmanz 20:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC) I think the clothing sponsor starting 1987 was Hummel, rather than Huppel, and the source you mention is incorrect in this case. Also see http://www.hummel.dk/Company/Milestones/1981-1990/1987.aspx

Yes you are right, I wasn't too sure either and was also surprised I couldn't find much about it, but did not remember the correct name myself. It's definately Hummel. SportsAddicted | discuss 22:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split article?

The recent additions improved the article mucho, but also made it a bit long (according to Wikipedia:Article size anyway). To solve this, we could transfer the history section to its own subpage leaving a summary in the main article, sí? Razororz 09:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I tend to agree on this comment, was already considering such a proposal myself but haven't found time for it. An alternative for splitting would be a rearrangment of the article, with the "common info" (current squad, honours, famous players ) on top of the article, for people who want to have a quick look, whereas the more in-depth information would reside on the lower half of the page. --Tsjipmanz 09:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Could work, although reorganizing won't make a difference to the KB size, which by far exceeds the suggested size for readable text. Razororz 10:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
We can split the history part off in a separate article and have a summary of it here. I don't think we should reorganize the article as in my opinion the current organization is the right way to go. Actually I was hoping someone who speaks fluently English and who knows about football could copy-edit this, so we could propose this to become a featured article. SportsAddicted | discuss 12:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I would split the article too.
Well I tried to copyedit, but almost all of my changes won't transmit for some reason. I'll try again tomorrow. Razororz 17:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
The article does need splitting, but I'd advise doing as much copyediting as possible before splitting it, as it saves repeating the copyediting process on two articles. Some things which occurred to me as a gave the first part of the history a light copyedit:
  • A decision needs to be made as to wheter the article refers to Feyenoord as a singular (as in American English) or as a plural (as in British English), as currently usage is inconsistent.
  • Feijenoord Stadion is the proper name, and de Kuip is a nickname, but the name nearly everyone uses, right? Both names are used in the history without an explanation.
  • dubbed the Eredivisie in 1921 This conradicts further down where it says that the Eredivisie formed in 1954.
  • The paragraph starting The worst period in Feijenoord's history had yet to come. gives the impression that the formation of the Eredivisie was in some way to blame for it.
  • Can Feyenoord's poor form in the 1940s really be blamed on the Rotterdam Blitz? The reference does not indicate this, it just gives an account of the Blitz itself. Oldelpaso 19:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Nice thoughts... When it comes to referring to a singular or a plural, I don't know what way to go, I think we should have it the more common way like it's done at other articles on Wikipedia. Going the British way sounds more logical to me as that's European, but I don't really mind. De Kuip is indeed the nickname and the name everyone uses. I saw User Wiggy already added that to the article now. Same thing with Eredivisie 1921, in these days it was just called the Dutch championship.
The formation of the Eredivisie was not the reason for the poor performances. What I meant was that the 40s were bad, but that the next few years were even worse. The effect of the Rotterdam Blitz was that the whole city was demolished and people did not bother much for football in these days as rebuilding the city was the most important matter. Not only the fans, but also the players did take part in this rebuilding. I don't know whether the players in the team these days were less talented as the former players had other things to do, or that they were the same players, but unable to concentrate and focus on their game. SportsAddicted | discuss 23:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there is a pattern for which variant of English is used in articles about clubs from non-English speaking countries, but as there's no obvious preference I'll be bold and use British English on the grounds that the article refers to football rather than soccer. Oldelpaso 19:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reflist

Someone tried to make the reflist into two columns, which in my opinion is a good idea, but his edit did not get the result wanted. At least when I take a look at the refs there's still one column. So if anyone knows how to get this into two columns please do so :) SportsAddicted | discuss 22:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

"Note: multiple columns currently render properly only in Mozilla Firefox, though the feature is included in CSS3, so it should work for a larger number of browsers in the future." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Reflist --Tsjipmanz 07:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I do use Mozilla Firefox, but still don't see the refs in two columns. SportsAddicted | discuss 08:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of refs. The article is certainly well-referenced, maybe a little bit too well-referenced. For instance, we could take out the sources for undisputed statements, like that Feyenoord is located in Rotterdam and that the Eredivisie is the Dutch top league. What you say? Razororz 14:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
They're not related, but this article has almost as many refs as the article of a controversial figure like George W Bush. Seems too much. Don't question my logic. Razororz 00:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Historical clashes section

On the grounds that most of the truly notable looking matches here are already mentioned in the history, I'm minded to remove the section wholesale. A Feyenoord fan might want to go through and move one or two to the history first though, so I'll hold off for a while first. Oldelpaso 20:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I will have a look at this and see what needs to be moved into the history and what not. SportsAddicted | discuss 00:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Supporters section

Feyenoord can be called a popular club because they always attract huge amounts of fans.[1] The club's fans excel in European Cup matches played abroad where thousands of fan travel to support their team. Exact numbers on which clubs attract the most fans abroad are not available, but it's known this is a high rate compared to most other European clubs. This paragraph doesn't really mean a lot. The one reference doesn't look to verify it, and its a club source anyway, so could be partisan. If it were Feyenoord have attracted the nth highest attendances in the Netherlands for the past y years (ref) or something verifiable, then it would be more meaningful. Also, regarding the phrase supporting the team during both good or bad times, some might argue that a club which has never been relegated hasn't had too many bad times ;-) Oldelpaso 20:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, a club which has never been relegated can have bad times. The team is expected to contest for the league and cup titles every single season as well as participating well in Europe. They are expected to do this, but of course not always succeed, but even in these periods they attract many fans. Other teams for instance notice a huge decrease in their amount of fans when underperforming. Feyenoord are actually in a bad period right now with the financial trouble, the UEFA ban, an early KNVB Cup exit and bad results in the league. However De Kuip is almost full when Feyenoord plays at home. This is the case, but it's hard to find a decent source for this on the internet. If you think it should be removed, then do so :) SportsAddicted | discuss 00:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ambassadors

I saw Oldelpaso removed the Feyenoord ambassadors as it was unsure to him wheter that section is notible or not. The ambassador promotes the club in several occasions through the year, nationally and internationally. They show up at club's related projects and are considered part of the team and reach the media for this specific case every now and then. I don't know what you expect them to do for the club, but in my opinion this section should be mentioned in the article. However, all of them are also named in the famous Feyenoord supporters section and an addition behind their name about their ambassadorship might be enough. SportsAddicted | discuss 00:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

yea, I'm against the removal of this paragraph as well. And if I understand Oldelpaso's edit summary correctly, the notability of these ambassadors are well established. Razororz 00:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Is the role of the ambassadors one of the key facts about Feyenoord? Is it something that is written about extensively? The role strikes me as something which would be better placed in the article about each individual rather than that of the club. This article is currently over 100kb long, to stand a chance of getting through a nomination for FA status it needs to be reduced to about half that, so a certain amount of ruthlessness is required. Oldelpaso 19:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, the history will be shortened massively I think, as soon as the subpage is created. The same will happen with the players list. Not sure wether we reach the 50kb in that case, but that means the size will definately reduce. As for the ambassadors I think we would be fine with adding the years in brackets behind the names in the famous Feyenoord supporters section. SportsAddicted | discuss 02:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kakkerlakken

For any future additions of a nickname like Kakkerlakken or the translation Cockroaches I'd like to clarify that this is not a nickname of Feyenoord. It's the name supporters of other teams might call the Feyenoord fans, and is somehow some sort of swearing. The name Kakkerlakken refers to the fans while the nickname section is there clarify the nicknames of the team. SportsAddicted | discuss 16:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

Why is necessary to have a footnote to verify that Feyenoord is a club in Rotterdam? 70.16.21.163 06:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair point. The footnote was redundant, and I've removed it. Oldelpaso 09:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TIFO Award in Internation Trophy list?

Isn't that "award" out of place there? Is it even a trophy? The reference is only a italian website, I don't have more infromation. The mention of it in the supporter section seems enough for this really. And isn't it better to let the list at the end consist of real prizes the club has won by playing football? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.93.22.238 (talk) 00:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

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