Talk:Femslash

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More links would be nice for this. KateMonkey 20:30, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Femmeslash was never targeted at anyone - indeed, there is a growing number of female femmeslash writers and readers. As for whether it's more sexual than romantic...well, it's actually about equal amounts, it just depends on what you're looking for. Mydemand

Contents 1 History 2 Harry Potter 3 Terminology 4 People 5 Sources 6 Femslash Sites

[edit] History

I was just skimming through this section, and quite frankly, it looks like it was lifted from another source. I don't have proof, but it just doesn't read right. Perhaps someone with more interest in the topic can check it out. --Bacteria 20:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The history article bit was written by me. It was crossposted to my LiveJournal and a mailing list just to see if there were any bits was missing as I wanted something more substantial on Wikipedia as the amount here was unclear and didn't really convey a sense of history. This is annoyingly important when people talk about f/f and imply it is really new. It isn't. A lot of people also have this tendency to cite Wikipedia in fan fiction history discussions... so yeah. It was originally written by me. It was put there for that reason. I've got the research notes and more details stuff in other places on my hard drive. If you have any more questions, I'm on AIM at h2oequalswater. --PurplePopple 21:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harry Potter

I don't understand the reasoning behind listing Harry Potter as being "femmeslash friendly" in the same way as the other fandoms listed. The others contain either f/f relationships, or some f/f interaction. Not so Harry Potter. Despite the large amount of saffic being written in the HP-verse, it just isn't the case that the fandom is femmeslash friendly in the same was as the others listed.

134.226.1.136 16:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Harry Potter just depends on the part of the fandom. There are a number of big femslash communities and they are friendly but they also tend to write femslash like they write boyslash. There is an obsession with dildos and replacing what women find exciting with what female writers who like boyslash find exciting. That totally changes the dynamic. (And it seems like it might be a bit misogynic...) Sometimes though one part of the community doesn't know what another is doing. --PurplePopple 20:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't quite follow. My point was that the HP canon is not femslash friendly in the same way as the other canons listed in the second paragraph of the article. Unlike the others listed, the HP canon contains neither any overt f/f relationships, nor even any apparent f/f subtext. Since the list seems to be of fandoms (in the sense of original canon) which have lead to a growth in femslash, Harry Potter (given that it is so heteronormative) seems distinctly out of place. LaraRain

My bad. I thought you were talking about the fandom, not the canon. Yeah, the canon has a distinct lack of visible female characters and female to female character interaction. --PurplePopple 20:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terminology

I changed saffic and femmeslash to femslash throughout (though not f/f slash, and I arguably should have). Consistency is necessary (except when describing historical name changes), and the article is currently called femslash. If this causes conflict here, then, per Wikipdeia guidelines, a verifiable attempt should be made to determine the most commonly used name and the article should be converted accordingly. Deborah-jl _Talk 21:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I just did the google test (a flawed but useful metric, especially in pop culture issues) and femslash is the clear winner, followed by femmeslash and f/f slash. With under 1000 hits, saffic doesn't even light up the notability meter. Deborah-jl _Talk 22:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The term "saffic" seems to have creeped into the article again. I have replaced it with "femslash". CKarnstein 16:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

There are quite a few places within this article that I would like to see terminology that is unique to fanfiction circles be replaced with words that are more generally understood. Trusilver 10:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People

I have removed the "People" section of this page. It was mostly just unsourced praise of fanfic authors. The main slash page doesn't contain anything like this, and I don't think readers looking for general information on femslash are going to care which author's Janeway/Torres fanfiction "would be described by many in the fandom as reaching the zenith of this romantic pairing" (especially since the citation for this claim shows that "many in this fandom" really means "one website"). If someone else can come up with a good justification for keeping the "People" section then they are welcome to restore it, but I don't see any reason to have it here. CKarnstein 16:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

This article is gasping for reliable sources. If there are any femslash experts here, I recommend citing sources and researching claims. That will really help out the copyeditors, as well. — Deckiller 09:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Femslash Sites

I think this section could use some trimming down. As it stands, this appears mainly to be a place for sitemasters to promote their femslash webpage. I would suggest restricting/trimming it to one large website/archive per fandom (or for the larger contingents with great pairing divide, such as Star Trek: Voyager, perhaps two), in order to shorten the page and get rid of unnecessary items such as "German The L Word", "another German The L Word", etc. Excluding the more "epic" sites from this restriction (such as some of the Xena archives) may be in order, however, to be representative of popular femslash culture. CrashCart9 05:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)