Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/New Zealand national cricket captains

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[edit] New Zealand national cricket captains

I nominated this before. As you can see it failed because there were too many redlinks (Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/New Zealand national cricket captains/Archive1). Others and I have now written articles so there are no longer redlinks, so I'd like to renominate it, SmokeDog 13:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

• Object, needs a few more pictures. Phoenix2 17:57, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
• I agree with Phoenix2. A picture of a match in progress or something of that nature would make the top much more visually appealing. Meelar (talk) 19:02, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • The featured list criteria do not require a picture, and many featured lists and other candidates (eg look at the ones on elements) do not have a picture. It seems unfair to single this one out. I'm not sure what a match in progress would do - it's unlikely to give an indication of what any New Zealand captain looks like, SmokeDog 07:58, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
    • The criteria are only minimum requirements. While a list could be promoted without images, they are strongly preferred. How 'bout pictures of some of the captains? Another suggestion, could the lead be expanded to give more context to the list and better explain its subjects. For instance: what is a national cricket captain? (I honestly don't know. Do they hold a certain position, or just some kind of authority or what?). --Dmcdevit·t 08:22, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
• Comment The title should appear bolded somewhere in the first paragrah. And I agree with the others that a couple of more pictures would really improve the article. --Sophitus 02:04, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
• I've added another picci and put the title in bold in the introduction. There's a real difficulty in getting non-copyright pics though - no doubt they will be added as and when pics become available, jguk 20:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks for making those changes. I'm almost ready to support, but I have one more concern. Since I know very little about cricket, I was wondering how important captains are considered in the sport. Are they mostly ceremonial like in baseball or do they have a very important leadership role as in ice hockey? Are there any other aspects of captainship that should be mentioned in the article? --Sophitus 20:45, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
    • Support since most of my concerns have been addressed --Sophitus 17:56, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • It is an important role - the captain selects the bowling order and fielding positions during a match, among other things. There's already a full article at captain (cricket). sjorford →•← 08:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
    • It is a very important role. I'm speculating but I think its the only sport where the captain's acumen can win the game. When he's playing on the field he cannot directly consult the coach for ideas. Add to that the country's media baying for the captain's head each time a series is lost. I think you should read the article on cricket, its well explained there. User:Nichalp/sg 14:32, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
• Suport User:Nichalp/sg 14:28, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
• Support -- Ian ≡ talk 01:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
• NOTE: I'll give this one four more days. One photo has been added after Phoenix's comments. Currently the featured list criteria are explicit in not requiring any photos whatsoever. Comments on what should happen here would be welcome, jguk 19:15, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support I know how hard it is to get cricket pictures - basically the only way is to be at the actual ground to get them under proper licenses - two should be plenty. Sam Vimes 20:43, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support as it stands: more pictures would be nice, but it is not a sufficient reason to prevent it being featured. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:25, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I meant to add, I decided to be bold this morning and promote this: it has some images, and I can't see why this should languish on WP:FLC or in the failed log when the other cricket capitans lists have been promoted. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:29, 4 August 2005 (UTC)