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Support: An interesting and stable article on the creatures from the Alien universe. It is well referenced coming from well over 18 different websites (including references), all four of the movies, and a comic strip. For the movies I have supplied the time for when the event happens. It was previously tagged as Original Research under the #Queen section. Of course, I have removed this and found suitable sources for which. Thanks, KILO-LIMA 19:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Object. Present tense should be used when referring to fictional events. I pointed this out in the peer review; it should have been addressed before taking the article to FAC (I've fixed the intro myself but that's just part of the article). Also, Everything2 and Geocities are not good references. I think only canonical references should be used; anything else should be explicitly marked as fan speculation in the text (or removed, for being fan speculation). Fredrik Johansson 19:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I know you mentioned this in the peer review and changed it accordingly; however, it was changed back for it "being [alive]". I have also changed the source that you requested and removed the two bad references. I have also added in the Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual, HarperCollins 1996, reference instead of the two deleted ones. See the talk page as well under #References. KILO-LIMA 21:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Object - Some more questionable sources. What makes [1] a reliable source? It looks like a fan-site to me. The sideshowtoy reference seems to, itself, reference a bit of fan research (I'm not familiar with the name Mike Lynch, so it might be official, but the article implies it is not), which I'm not sure we can hold as reliable. Couldn't this information be found from more official sources? [2] also appears to be a fan site with potentially inaccurate or simply made-up information. Anything hosted by fortunecity would be a fan site as well. Fieari 22:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I took Brian Oshaughnessy's website as a reference becuase it states the facts required [3]. I hope by saying Sideshowtoy you really mean Anchor Point Essay (as Mike Lynch doesn't make them). Fortunecity is not a reference, but it was linked becuase it was the site that stated that the fin stayed on throught the spin-offs. It was not fan specualtion; it was, in my case, fact. It's not saying anything that could be damaging to the article, it's just saying the fin remained. KILO-LIMA 16:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
It may be correct information, but it's still not from a primary source. Where did the people who made the pages you linked to get the information? Why can't you use the source they used instead? Fieari 17:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
How is it now? I have removed the links from them, the inline citations removed and the references removed. KILO-LIMA 00:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Conditional Support. As soon as the references are cleared up, I will support. RyanGerbil10 22:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Full Support. I feel my objections have been addressed. RyanGerbil10 23:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Conditional support, per RyanGerbil10.--Fallout boy 04:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: As I already mentioned on the article's talk page, Image:Queenybaby.JPG is unsourced. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 11:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I have removed it from the article. KILO-LIMA 20:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Object. The article treats its subject not as what it is, namely, a fictional species. Examples from the introduction: "(or scientifically called Internecivus raptus[1])" - there is no scientific terminology for such a "species", because scientific taxonomy is not concerned with fictional beings; "of unknown origin" - does not make clear that it is fictionally unknown in the context of the fictional setting; "Gorman's line in Aliens is the only time that the word Xenomorph is used canonically" - does not make clear what canonically means in the fictional context. An encyclopedia is a place where people expect to read about things that exist. If you write about things that do not, you must adapt your writing style acordingly. Kosebamse 13:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I have fixed the points you have made; however, it clearly states in the first sentence of entire article that the species is entirely fictional. KILO-LIMA 20:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak support. Considering that it's not actually a real thing, there's a pretty good amount of information here. It's in need of some minor fixes as noted by others above (the scientific name part is still lame... is the "source" really the background of a dvd menu screen? I don't know if I'd call that canon; those screens are made by the dvd distribution company, not the studio.) I'm not wild about the "debate" section; just seeing one of those in an article raises warning flags. It's not a debate if the information presented doesn't address both viewpoints, which this (like most) does not. The other viewpoint, i.e. that the DNA sampling thing is a bunch of crap, is nowhere to be seen. (I personally feel that it is a bunch of crap, since the aliens in the 1st and 2nd movies, and the old comics, do not look like people, they look the same as they do on their homeworld, as shown in "Hive". It was a cheap stunt to sell bad sequels and it caught on. Where's that angle?) But even though I think that section needs improvement, it's a fictional character and the debate is, essentially, pointless. So I won't withold my support just because of that. Assuming the article gets the work it needs, my support should hold up. Kafziel 17:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Short article, but then there's no point adding crap to fill it out! Worthy of FA, the image texts need clarification tho, I'll have a bash --PopUpPirate 01:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support I think the references have been cleared up now. Hillhead15 13:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Object I'm familiar enough with the Alien series. The article has a lot of interesting information, but there is a problem with the presentation, which begins with establishing the name of the creature (generally along the lines the Kosebamse objection). I guess this would be categorized as a verifiability and writing quality issue. The explanation of both how the article itself arrives at "Xenomorph", and how X is used in the series, are both vague, so from the lead on, I'm not really confident that what I'm reading about is what the article calls it... The intro of Facehugger doesn't help. Neither do sentences like, "No one quite knows how a Queen comes to be. When there is no queen present or eggs, many different things could happen." Overall, separation between the properties of the fictional universe, and the actual fan/scholarly analysis is not clearly established, and I had the general impression of reading a fan discussion rather than an authoritative article. And, I've thought of the thing as the "Alien" and this article doesn't convince me otherwise. With some editing and rewriting in the right direction, it'd be a cool article, and all the info is...great! Hope that's of some assistance... --Tsavage 03:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
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