Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Vanilla Ninja

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[edit] Vanilla Ninja

Self-nomination for Vanilla Ninja. Article is on an Estonian girl band and has been written pretty much completely by myself in the past week or so. Spent a few days on peer review and received a couple of concerns and suggestions, all of which have been implemented and/or fixed. I think it passes all of the criteria for a featured article, including a good amount of well-licensed images and numerous references. Hedley 00:01, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Well done! However, object until the references are fixed to be more in line with cite your sources. Would appreciate the use of Template:Ref and Template:Note in the article. When this is done, will enthusiastically support! - Ta bu shi da yu 00:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • The issue I foresee with references is that I didn't include them within the text, but instead completely at the end because almost all of them are in German. As it is English Wikipedia, I feel it would be foolish to link to German language references so frequently. The sources are cited at the end under references, although some content comes from personal knowledge collected from news reports, looking up info, etc. that i've forgotten the source of. If you could be more specific with which bits of information should be cited better i'll attempt to fix. Hedley 01:28, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• support good informative article, much improved in last rewrite. Jtkiefer 01:22, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Support. As long as the references section is as thorough as possible (you're right, English only), this is a very intersting and thorough article on an unknown quantity to most. Harro5 08:04, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Object. Describing the plotlines of individual music videos is too detailed and not particularly interesting or encyclopedic. The article can certainly do without them. / Peter ^Isotalo 11:30, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • I hardly think its not encyclopaedic, its an article on the artist and their videos are inherently notable. The article could be without them, but many articles could do without things, but are better and more comprehensive with them. Hedley 13:28, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Detailed plotlines of the individual videos are neither interesting to read nor particularly relevant; they're promotion stunts like most music videos, not world-renowned art projects. A list with brief summaries will suffice. / Peter ^Isotalo 21:12, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
      • So you think that everything that isn't 'world-renowned' should be summarised? Isn't being comprehensive one of the criteria for a featured article? Hedley 21:27, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
        • Comprehensive does not mean "include everything". They really don't add anything to the overall quality of the article. Really well-executed summaries is what makes the best FAs. It's definetly underestimated as a sign of article quality here on Wikipedia. / Peter ^Isotalo 08:25, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
• Support, looks fairly crufty. Will oppose if Pete's objection above is acted on, although the detail could be moved to a subarticle if necessary, I suppose. Everyking 12:18, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Neutrality^talk 19:51, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Support looks really good. I don't know what the article spoilt, though... smoddy 20:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Wow... looks good. Nice job, Hedley. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 20:17, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Support, comprehensive and interesting Celestianpower 17:48, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support, although I am mildly concerned about the lack of explicit sourcing and the quirky approach to citation in the ==References== section. --Theo (Talk) 22:42, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Good work Hedley! Up to featured standard in a very short time. — Trilobite (Talk) 19:39, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support, though I agree inline citations would be nice. Tuf-Kat 00:30, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
• Object Why are there no wikilinks to the band-members? But even if those girls have wiki-articles of their own, in addition to the information on all the music-videos there should be a section them as well, some information on their life + maybe education, etc. Themanwithoutapast 22:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  In contrast to the english article - the (much shorter) german article consists in half of short bios on the band-members, for instance Miss Siska apparently studies accounting at the university of talinn. Themanwithoutapast 23:02, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Object An article about musicians should include substantive discussion of their music and its critical reception. I come away from this article with hardly a clue as to whether this band's sound resembles the Spice Girls, the Indigo Girls, the Supremes, the Runaways, or anyone else. And way, way, way too much detail on the music videos. Monicasdude

There is frequent mention of how each single sounded, and I believe that comparisons to other artists are made along the line. As for the music videos - detail is important, and I think its something that is good to include. Hedley 23:38, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think that "pop-rock" is a useful description of how particular tracks sound. It doesn't convey very much. As for detail, the featured article criteria say that articles "should stay tightly-focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary detail"; and I believe that such extensive summaries of individual videos reach an unnecessary level of detail -- for this or any other artist. Monicasdude 00:05, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)