Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/New York City/archive4

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 06:17, 31 January 2007.

[edit] New York City

Previous FAC's: December 2004, April 2006, July 2006, September 2006 and November 2006

• I' am nominating this article for the featured article as it has been on wikipedia for a long time. It is perfectly detailed, citated and written with a heavy range of contributors, and it has an intresting figure to be the featured article. It would make a very good featured article Rasillon 14:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

AGAIN, the archived vs. new versions for this FAC are all FUBAR - need to be fixed, and I don't have time. I hope others will hold off on responses until FAC is submittted and archived correctly, and the talk page templates are corrected. Update: thanks for fixing, Tutmosis SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose. Only two citations for the whole of the History subsection and one for Geography. There are also issues with the prose; just looking at the lead:

• one of the world's major global cities - looking at the (loose) definition of global cities, I don't see what "major" means. In fact, according to the Loughborough study, New York is a full service world city which is above a major one.
• There's a reuse of major in the second sentence - couldn't a different word be used.
• The financial sway of New York is mentioned in both the first and third paragraph, which seems like unnecessary repetition and makes the structure hard to follow.
• The phrase "is also" is used four times in three paragraphs, usually redundantly.

It's a good article with lots of information, but I think it needs more citations and a thorough copyedit before becoming featured. Trebor 19:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I rearranged several words in the first few paragraphs to avoid the repitition of "major" and "is also", but I'm not sure how to address the mentioning of the financial sway in the first and third paragraphs--although I really don't see that as a problem. The first paragraph is basically a small summary of the following more detailed paragraphs in the introduction, because New York City being a cultural center is addressed in the opening paragraph as well, and then discussed in more detail in the third. If you have any other suggestions on how to work on this, I'm willing to do it, but I really think that it is worthy of being a featured article as it is now. Irish Pearl 18:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I swear this wasn't here last time I looked...anyway, I find it slightly excessive that the first paragraph in the lead is a summary of the rest of the lead is a summary of the rest of the article. See below (and above) for why I don't think it's featured quality. Trebor 20:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that the first paragraph just summarizes what follows (although I was the one that made that statement) but I think it is also answering the "global city" question. When I was looking over the article again after I read your previous response, trying to find a way to explain the "global city" definition, the two following sentences are basically it. A world-wide cultural, as well as economical/finiancial center. The next two paragraphs just justify those statements. They may be a bit wordy, but I don't think that they are anymore so than most other featured articles, but I may have just not read enough of them. Irish Pearl 20:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose. I'm seeing major POV problems after doing just a quick scan of the article. The crime section only talks about the recent decrease in crime. A reader would get the idea that NYC has always been very safe. That section needs to be a summary of the whole history of crime in NYC, not a summary of the 1990s. --- RockMFR 21:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Support. I think the article is plenty detailed and covering all aspects of the city. There's been a good number of contributers and I fail to see any glaring problems in any section of the article. For New York City being a "major" global city--I understood it to be that New York has consistantly ranked high among most studies. As for the issue with the section on Crime in New York City--isn't there a seperate page for that anyway? The citations and details on the History of Crime in New York City are both on that page, and I would assume this article really only focuses present day, and for that, the city IS safe today. Irish Pearl 18:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Ranked high at what? I think it's a fairly vague term, and something better could be used to sum up why it's important. My other objections still stand: the History section (and many others) are almost entirely uncited and the prose needs work throughout. Trebor 19:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Object Unimproved over previous failed FACs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Object - A few concerns. The majority of the History & Geography sections not referenced per 1(c). Also the crime section probably just fails 1(d), as it only mentions the recent decreases in crime since the 1990s, and doesnt seem to present itself from a balanced viewpoint. --Arnzy (talk • contribs) 14:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.