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[edit] Proposed Roman Alphabets for Urdu
I have proposed a set of Roman Alphabets to write Urdu language in Roman script. We can have discussions and debates on the pro's and con's of the proposed alphabets right here.
(Please don't debate the usefulness of using Roman script to write Urdu; I am highly convinced that it should be done <cf. Section 3 of this page>)
The proposed Roman alphabet is given below:
| Consonants | Vowels & diphthongs | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Urdu Alphabet | Roman Alphabet | Alternative Roman Alphabet | Urdu Alphabet | Roman Alphabet | Alternative Roman Alphabet |
| ب | (b,B) | ا | (a,A) | ||
| بھہ | (b_,B_)<underlined> | (bh,Bh) | آ | (ä,Ä)/(æ,Æ) (as in Äm/Æm:آم) | (aa,Aa) |
| پ | (p,P) | ع | (â,Â) (as in Âmmär:عمار) / (ê,Ê) (as in Êb:عیب, Ênak:عینک) / (î,Î) (as in Îmrän:عمران, Îndiä:عنریہ) / (ô,Ô) (as in Ôd:عود, Ôn:عون) / (û,Û) (as in Ûmar:عمر,Ûmer:عمیر) | ||
| پھہ | (p_,P_)<underlined> | (ph,Ph) | و | Beginning of Word:(v,V); Middle/end of word:(o,O) (as in dost:دوست, g'ořä:گھوڈا) / (ö,Ö) (as in dör:دور, döřnä:دوڑنا) / (u,U) (as in durre-şahwär:درشہوار, muřnä:مڑنا, g'umänä:گھمانا) / (ü,Ü) (as in g'ümnä:گھومنا, dür:دور) | Beginning of word:(w,W) |
| ت | (t,T) | ی | Beginning of word:(y,Y);Middle/end of word:(i,I) (as in din:دن) / (ï,Ï) (as in dïn:دین) | ||
| تھہ | (t_,T_)<underlined> | (th,Th) | ے | Beginning of word:(y,Y); Middle/end of word:(e,E) (as in jäte:جاتے, gäte:گاتے) / (ë,Ë) (as in "Mëŋ dukän meŋ hün":"میں دکان میں ھوں" | |
| ٹ | (ŧ,Ŧ) | (t',T') | |||
| ٹھہ | (ŧ_,Ŧ_)<underlined> | (ŧh,Ŧh)/(th',Th') | |||
| ث | (s,S) | ||||
| ج | (j,J) | ||||
| جھہ | (j_,J_)<underlined> | (jh,Jh) | |||
| چ | (c,C) | ||||
| چھہ | (c_,C_)<underlined> | (ch,Ch) | |||
| ح | (h_,H_)<underlined> | (hh,Hh) | |||
| خ | (ķ,Ķ) | (k',K') | |||
| د | (d,D) | ||||
| دھ | (d_,D_)<underlined> | (dh,Dh) | |||
| ڈ | (đ,Đ) | (d',D') | |||
| ڈھہ | (đ_,Đ_)<underlined> | (đh,Đh)/(dh',Dh') | |||
| ذ | (z,Z) | ||||
| ر | (r,R) | ||||
| ڑ | (ř,Ř) | (r',R') | |||
| ز | (z,Z) | ||||
| ژ | (x,X) | ||||
| س | (s,S) | ||||
| ش | (ş,Ş) | (s',S') | |||
| ص | (s,S) | ||||
| ض | (z,Z) | ||||
| ط | (t,T) | ||||
| ظ | (z,Z) | ||||
| غ | (ġ,Ġ) | (g',G') | |||
| ف | (f,F) | ||||
| ق | (q,Q) | ||||
| ک | (k,K)<NO (c,C)> | ||||
| کھہ | (k_,K_)<underlined> | (k',K') | |||
| گ | (g,G) | ||||
| گھہ | (g_,G_)<underlined> | (g',G') | |||
| ل | (l,L) | ||||
| م | (m,M) | ||||
| ن | (n,N) | ||||
| ں | (ŋ,Ŋ) | ||||
| ھ،ہ | (h,H) | ||||
[edit] Sample Words
[edit] Sample Texts
[edit] Ibtidäi Hisäb
Hisäb ke cär baře qäide hëŋ: jama, tafrïq, zarb, taqsïm
Pehla qäida: Jama
Jama ke qäide par amal karna äsän nahïŋ. Ķusüsan mehngai ke dinoŋ meŋ. Sab kuch ķarc ho jäta he. Kuch jama nahïŋ ho päta. Jama ka qäida muķtalif logoŋ ke lie muķtalif hë. Âäm logöŋ ke lie 1+1=1½. Kiüŋke ½ incam tex (income tax) wäle le jäte hëŋ. Tijärat ke qäide se jama kareŋ to 1+1 ka matlab hë giära. Rişwat ke qäide se häsile-jama ör ziäda ho jäta hë. Qäida wohi acha jis meŋ häsile-jama ziäda se ziäda äe, başart-yeke pölïs (police) mänê na ho. Ek qäida zubäni jama ķarc ka hota hë. Ye mulk ke masäil hal karne ke käm äta hë. Äzmüda hë.
(Urdü ki Äķri Kitäb az Ibne Inşä)
[edit] گزارشات
:اس ضمن میں احقر کی گزارشات ملاحظہ ھوں
1. Unicode میں اردو حروف تہجی آنے کے بعد بھی اردو کے مروجہ رسم الخط میں ٹائپ کرنا خاصا مشکل ھے۔ مزیدیکہ مادکیٹ میں جو keyboard دستیاب ھیں، وہ پرانے Inpage کے صوتی طرز پہ بناۓ گۓ ھیں، جبکھ مائیکروسوفٹ کے پروگراموں میں ان keyboards کی مدد سے ٹائپ نہیں کیا جا سکتا۔
2. موبائل فون کے زیادہ تر ماڈلز (ساختوں) میں عربی (یا فارسی) تو لکھی جا سکتی ھیں، مگر اردو کے اضافی حروف لکھنے کی سہولت موجود نییں۔
3. عوام کی ایک کثیر تعداد SMS یا چیٹنگ میں اردو زبان کا سہادہ لیتی ھے پر عربی رسم الخط میں لکھنے سے قاصر ھے، لھزا رومن رسم الخط کا سھارا لیا جاتا ھے۔
اور اس بات کی امید کرنا بیوقوفی ھے کہ ھماری عوام آسان رومن رسم الخط کو چھوڑ کے مشکل اردو رسم الخط کو اپناۓ گی۔ نتیجہ یہ نکلے گا کہ آج سے دس سال پعر کمپیوٹر اور انٹرنیٹ کی دنیا میں اردو کی حیثیت ایک معمولی زبان کی ھو گی۔ اور نئ نسل انگریزی زبان پہ اور زیادہ منحصر ھو جائیگی۔ اور یہ مسائل پاکستان کی دوسری زبانوں (پنجابی، سنرھی، پشتو، بلوچی، سرائیکی، کشمیری) کو بھی درپیش ھیں۔ ھمیں چاھیے کہ ھم زبان کو بچانے کی سعی کریں، نہ کہ رسم الخط سے محبت کے چکر میں زبان کو نقصان پہنچا بیٹھیں۔ ویسے بھی عوام تو رومن رسم الخط کو کمپیوٹر کی حد تک قبول کر ھی چکے ھیں، اب ھمارا فرض بنتا ھے کہ ھم باقاعدہ رومن رسم الخط کی توضیح کریں۔ ورنہ عوام اردو الفاظ کے بے تکے رومن متبادل تو وضح کر ھی چکے ھیں، جیسے جیسے وہ ذہنوں میں راسخ ھوں گے زبان کا اور نقصان ھوگا۔ میری گزارش ھے کہ ویکیپیڈیا پہ ہر صفحے کا ایک رومن متبادل ھو۔ اردو کے رومن حروف تہجی میں اپنی فہم ناقص کے مطابق ترتیب دے چکا ھوں۔ جو حضرات اس سلسلے میں میری معاونت کرنا چاھیں، بندہ ھر ممکن تعاون اور رہنمائ کو تیار ھے۔ آپ کے خیالات جاننے کا متمنی ھوں۔ (سید فیاض عباس)
[edit] Roman Urdu
Assalamalaikum. Thank you very much for the construction of the chart in the "Roman Urdu Alpahabet Table" section of the Roman Urdu page. It is very well done. Kitabparast and I have also been involved in this project. He is a well qualified expert on this subject and we have collaborated on several pages including Hindustani, Hindustani Grammar, Urdu, and now the Roman Urdu article. I requested him to review your table and also add the Devanagari script to it as well. I have placed a table of Roman Urdu examples on the page as well. Kitabparast will add the Devanagari script to this chart as well and change the order of this chart to Roman Urdu, Nasta'liq, Devanagari, English Translation, and then the Notes. I also placed a picture entitled 'The Urdū Nasta’liq alphabet, with names in the Devanāgarī and Roman Urdu alphabets' in the introduction. I thought it was a great image for the article. Thanks once again for your contribtion. It was a big asset to the Roman Urdu page. I look forward to working with you on this project and look forward to hearing from you soon. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 19:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- Salaam! It seems like Zulfikkur has already added the Devanagari script to one of the tables I inserted under the examples section in the Roman Urdu article. I have also added a few things to the page do make it look more presentable. I am sure Kitabparast will add the Devanagari script the next time he makes an edit. He has not made an edit in a few days so I assume he is on vacation or something like that. Because he loves doing this and has helped me much before, I am sure he will do it. Maybe it would be a good idea for you to introduce yourself to him on his talk page and also tell him about our collaboration. I like your idea of "laying the foundation for the re-merging of Hindi & Urdu with common script." If you take a look at the Hindustani grammar article, you will see that it is a dual purpose article as it has the Nasta’liq and Devanagari scripts. This is very good. Once again I look forward to working with you. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 18:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Assalamualaikum. Most of the Devanagari script has been added to the article (except for the table). Recently, Kitabparast has been working on the page so I am sure he will complete this part soon. Perseo-Arabic and Devanagari transliterations have been added under the sample texts as well. Thanks and hope you return soon! Khuda Hafiz. Anupam
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[edit] Salaam!
Salaam Fayyaz Abbas! It's nice to know that you are back! I am looking forward to our collaboration together on Hindustani related articles. Khuda Hafiz. Anupam 04:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Your'e very welcome! It's great working with you. You are a very knowledgeable individual. I left a comment on Talk:Roman Urdu about the retroflex nasal ں. I think its a good idea. Thanks. Khuda Hafiz. Anupam 21:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Assalamalaikum Fayyaz Abbas. Eid Mubarak ho. I hope everything with you is splendid. It's a pleasure working with you on Wikipedia. Hope you return soon! Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 20:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC).
- Salaam Fayyaz Abbas! I just wanted to let you know that I have finished adding Devanagari to the Writing System table. I'm looking forward to your return so we can discuss the transcription system. Thanks! Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 04:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Assalamalaikum Fayyaz Abbas. Eid Mubarak ho. I hope everything with you is splendid. It's a pleasure working with you on Wikipedia. Hope you return soon! Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 20:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Roman Urdu, is that a standard or a product of imagination?
I don't see standardization in the work, but I am keen to know whether there is a standard for Roman Urdu. I was born and bred in Pakistan and my mother tongue is Urdu. Of what depresses me the most is that the Nastaliq or the Persio-Arabic script has not reached a maturer level in the computing world and it seems we are destined to always retort to an alternative.
If what you are displaying in the table is not standard, I think we should all settle for a standard here, until this work remains a work of pure imagination. I loved the work you guys have done on the Roman Urdu page. I have even started e-mailing and documenting things in the Romand script as was used from the Kitab-e-Muqadas (The Bible). Being a Christian, I read that Zabur all the time and it was good to stare at the first ever works of Roman Urdu emerging from the Bible. If you need help, I'd be more than welcome to help. - Arun Reginald 04:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merry Christmas!
Dear Fayyazabbas,
Love came to a stable on that very special night to bring us out of darkness into His glorious light. May Jesus touch your life with gladness and warm your heart with love as we celebrate His birth. I hope you have a Blessed Christmas, AnupamTalk 06:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
