User talk:Fantasy

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User's home under construction Due to my construction work at home my Wikipedia-time is quite limited. I try to help in Wikipedia nevertheless when I have time. I will be back end of 2007 ;-)

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I am happy if I can help :-) Fantasy 容 19:06, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

See also my en-discussion archive.

Contents 1 Invitation to Esperanza 2 Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Germany is being replaced by a category 3 Dankeschön 4 Question 5 Image:Donald Duck suitcase.jpg listed for deletion 6 Hello ... 7 Your edit at Talk:Bozen-Bolzano 8 Featured picture delisting 9 Talk:Trentino-South Tyrol 9.1 I love italy 10 Sepp Kerschbaumer 11 Trentino-Alto Adige/Suedtirol 12 German Talk Page 13 Page break 14 the REAL name: Trentino-Alto Adige 14.1 sorry, I can't discuss this... but thanks nevertheless! :-) 15 headache 16 Alto Adige/South Tyrol 17 motion to close mediation

[edit] Invitation to Esperanza

hey there,

if you have not heard of this place before, and might be interested, drop by :-) with kind regards Gryffindor 13:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Germany is being replaced by a category

Hello! You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Germany page as living in or being associated with Germany. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, or one of the Bundesland-based subcategories, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Germany for instructions. --Angr (tɔk) 14:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know :-) Fantasy 20:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dankeschön

Hallo Fantasy, wie gehts? Thanks for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (88/3/1), so I am now an administrator. I am very humbled by your kind comments and your vote of support. Please let me know if at any stage you require assistance, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an administrator. Once again thank you and with kind regards Gryffindor 18:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for you offer of assistance. I just can say the same to you. That's exactly what Wikipedia is for me about, knowing that people like you are around.

Welcome from the heart :-) Fantasy 20:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

grüezi Fantasy, how are you? I found something which could finally solve the problem with the constant harassment and the tiring issue of renaming Trentino-South Tyrol. Take a look at this page here Talk:Río de la Plata, it has an interesting template at the top stating that discussion about the issue is over. Should we add that to the talk archive and put an end to debate? we had two polls already. with kind regards Gryffindor 16:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Gryffindor,

Good Idea, I would agree to put it on the top of the page, so my discussion-part can also be put in the archive. Looks better then my contribution.

In the meantime I protected the page from IP-Edits since some poeple vandalised the discussion. You can unprotect it again if you think it is ok.

Thanks for this good Idea, Would be great if you could do it, From my side it will take some weeks until I have time. Thanks ;-) Fantasy 10:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It's done, no problem. Have a nice weekend :-) Gryffindor 13:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks great, thanks for your help. To you also a nice weekend, Nice to have you as admin on en, I sleep better now ;-) Fantasy 15:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Donald Duck suitcase.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Donald Duck suitcase.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —MetsBot 18:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)--Shizhao 03:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Sorry to see him go, but probably there is no way to have him here in Wikipedia yet... Fantasy 21:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello ...

... again! ;-) ff (fine future) Jahn TALK TO ME ... 18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC) By the way: I like Your photos. Jahn TALK TO ME ... 21:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am happy that you like my fotos, thanks a lot :-) Fantasy 15:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

One of my sons studies graphic design, film and video. He teached me to have an eye for fotos. But another thing: Look at my signature, I got it. Thx for inspiration! ;-) Jahn TaLK TO me ... 20:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Much better ;-)

Re the fotos: I love to take fotos. Maybe you can see the love I put into it ;-)

See you :-) Fantasy 15:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

PS: I am in Kassel the coming weekend, just if by any chance you are also there nearby...

Kassel ... that s interesting. I think it s not totally impossible. I ll check it out. Jahn TaLK TO me ... 19:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit at Talk:Bozen-Bolzano

Sorry, I reverted your edit as it was archive burning. If you believe that the discussion is on the wrong place, please move it to the appropriate new location and state such move on the talk page of Bozen-Bolzano. Thank you. Regards. --Húsönd 17:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but that does not work, you can not move a move-request. You have to reformulate, and that hast to be done by the requester! Fantasy 17:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, but it wasn't me who proposed the move. The proposer is Markussep according to Wikipedia:Requested moves. Regards.--Húsönd 17:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured picture delisting

I've nominated a Featured Picture you uploaded, Image:London Eye panorama.jpg, for delisting. Please see Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Image:London Eye panorama.jpg delist for the discussion. Regards, howcheng {chat} 20:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I did not even know that is was featured. It clearly is not one of my best fotos, no problem with delisting ;-) Fantasy 17:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Trentino-South Tyrol

Your views regarding Sudtirol are a wee-bit extreme there son.

Dear anonymous

You are right, my are a wee-bit extreme, because I try not to go in so an extreme extreme directions as some german-haters are going. Therefore I try myself to calm down and not go to the same aggressive level. But sometimes I fail. Some arguments from some anonym people are so unbeleavble ignorant, that it is hard to calm down.

Sorry, if I went to the same level as the agressive contributors... Fantasy 09:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I love italy

One more general comment:

I have many italian friends.

I love italy, the language, the country, the people.

I am italian.

The only thing that is hard for me to bear is when people try to rewrite/ignore/offend history.

I am not against italian things, I am just of the opinion that in the multilingual region of South Tyrol all 4 languages should be treated with respect, and not just italian should be used over all other langauge - that probably being the hard part for some italians to accept. Equal treatment of the languages.

If I step over my maxime of "equal treatment" pelase tell me, it can happen in the heat of discussion, please forgive me my faults.

Thanks :-) Fantasy 10:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Dear Fantasy, I've read many of the discussions on this region, and to me it is quite disturbing. I have century-long roots in this region, as I'm assuming you do to. The -region- should be listed as Trentino-Alto Adige/Sudtirol. The provinces are Bolzano-Bozen (BZ) and Trento (TN). It is disturbing when I read how Gryffindor has quietly transformed many things. This region of Italy is one of the most fantastic, and it is deeply sadening to me to see someone such as him manipulating things to his own World view. Naming the region Trentino-South Tyrol is clearly biased to a German viewpoint. Renaming the Province of Bolzano-Bozen to the Province of South Tyrol is even more. Finally renaming Bolzano-Bozen to Bozen-Bolzano? I like both names of the city, and which is first is a game for children. But, the official name is Bolzano-Bozen, so what is the problem? I will like to have a good discussion with you about this, because the user Gryffindor seems highly biased, gets things by a sneaky way, and gives me the creeps. This is not making a personal attack, but the methods he has used concerning a region I love, is just too much. Also, hope all is well with your construction, even though it looks as if you have blown up your home. :P Taalo 20:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Taalo, sorry for my late reply, I was "working" ;-). I will reply on my german discussion-page. See you :-) Fantasy 18:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sepp Kerschbaumer

I noticed you said on Lar's talk page that he was your grandfather and I thought I would tell you I have tried to improve Sepp Kerschbaumer. Be interested in any feedback, especially criticism. --Guinnog 09:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Guinnog, thank you very much for your work! It looks ok to me, but I try to avoid to edit or comment about my granfather, because I don't have a NPOV. You know, it's difficult to really understand what was going on at that time, I just hear stories. Some say, this was very important, some say it had no effect, in the end only history can tell, or probably not even that.

But many thanks for your effort nevertheless! :-) Fantasy 13:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

One thing for sure, he definitely has the face of someone from our home. You know what the effect he has? The one we should all remember: You don't let people push -- and people should not push others. This is the core problem of this Earth afterall. Taalo 04:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I made some cleanup of the page, gives a good chance to understand the history. The German page is quite detailed though and eventually bringing images from there would be great. So the home village is Frangart? Then the Italian word Frangarto? My family is from the Val di Non. Your village is just 35 km away down the Mendola! :-) Very interesting to know this history of your grandfather Fantasy. I'm more of a follower of the ideas of Ghandi myself -- but I can accept "violence" against electricity pylons. :-) Anyway, most importantly is everyone in Bolzano-Bozen should now be free to do as they please -- Italians, Germans, etc. Taalo 04:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions to my granfather's article!

Regarding the home village, my granfather's was Frangart-Frangarto, by I come from a different one, a little bit more distant from Val di Non, but still in reach of a possible meeting one day ;-) Fantasy 04:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trentino-Alto Adige/Suedtirol

Hey Fantasy, do you mind if we discuss here on the EN Wikipedia? I saw your message to Lars. I left a message as well -- you can read it when you have the time. Like I have said before, I also agree using double names. I really hope this option can be taken seriously. I would like to also understand better the history in Bolzano-Bozen of what cities have invented names. These names I really wish would of been immediately removed after the fall of the dictatorships. -sigh- One thing to keep in mind though is that even what the Fascists did this in the early 20th century -- this is not the first time this has happened. Likewise "Italians" suffered under "Germans", etc. My point? We should never let these things pushed by politicians make us angry forever. What has happened in these centuries of human existance, we must simply not allow to happen again -- especially in our region. We are all brothers and sisters here, the languages we have come to speak -- for whatever reason -- is the smallest difference afterall. Anyway, really interested to talk more later. regards. Taalo 03:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I need to figure out how I can exchange e-mails with people on here. Yourself and a few other people I have met on here in my three weeks of Wikipedia, I would really like to be able to exchange e-mails. Taalo 03:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Just click on "E-mail this user" on the left. But keep in mind: Sometimes email don't reach the destination either for server-problems or Spam-filter. If you don't get a reply, ask the one you contacted via email on his Wiki-page if he got the email. Fantasy 04:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] German Talk Page

You wrote, Time is something that helps a lot. Sometimes you just need to sit back and wait, and you realise, that it was not so important after all. I am feeling very much better now, whatever the result of all this is. I have to say that I really don't like the double naming, but it would have been a shame not to try to go for it. Most people probably prefer a simple solution, and simple solutions are not always right, but you can not change mankind. Simplicity has advantages. Re the Fotos: I would be very happy if you would use them, I uploaded them to be used and to make people happy. Re my construction work, the next fotos probably will come in December ;-) If you come one day to South Tyrol, let me know! See you :-) Fantasy 容 22:36, 14. Okt. 2006 (CEST)

Yes, lets try to at least make it clear it should be an option. It is not so complex to include both names afterall! Regardless, every page must have all the different languages included. This is without question. Thank you with regard to the photos, I will for sure use them as computer wallpaper (I change it every week almost at work! :-) Hey, whenever I make it to visit Italy, I always find a time to go down and visit Bolzano-Bozen. :)) my regards. Taalo 04:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I look forward to your next visit then, let me know in advance so that I will be there! See you :-) Fantasy 04:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page break

• The problem is, it still violates WP:NOT, specifically "Wikipedia is not a how-to guide". I hope you don't get frustrated by this, because your other edits look good. :) Danny Lilithborne 21:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

If you don't like it as text, can we just add the external link so that if someone looks for more information he finds there?

And thanks for the "other edits look good", I know that i am not a good editor therefore normally I avoid adding infos to Articles, I am better at helping people ;-) Fantasy 22:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

PS: And after 4 years of Wikipedia I had already some frustration to get used to, so don't worry about that ;-)

An external link would probably be okay. At least I wouldn't object to it. Danny Lilithborne 22:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ;-) Fantasy 22:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the REAL name: Trentino-Alto Adige

So I did some research and checked with some pretty credible sources as to what they print, in ENGLISH, for the name of this region (and province) in Italy.

• Fodor's - a well recognized and respected name (and expert guide) has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Michelin - also expert in travel guides - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bozen".

• Rand McNally (name speaks for itself) has world, regional, and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Streetwise Map's regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Dorling Kindersley or "DK" - by far, probably the best travel guides available - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Lonely Planet (the self-proclaimed largest independently-owned travel guide) regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Hammond Map - a subsidiary of Langenscheidt Publishing Group (a privately-held German publishing company) - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

As far as proof, I am quite sure that the above sources are credible enough, especially in the sense of geographical knowledge, expertise, and English-translation. Rarelibra 04:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Funny, how reality can be different from the point of view. The italian constitution Article 116 was modified not long ago to state "Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol" al posto di "Trentino-Alto Adige". So, if you have to choose between some tourist guides who don't care about minorities or the constitution of a state, who is the better source to define how something is named?

To be clear: I am not contributing to this discussion at the moment because it hurts me personally too much, but I just wanted to show you that "REAL" is not easy to define... ;-) Fantasy 17:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

PS:I just saw on your userpage that you support the independence of many countries. Why do you then work against South Tyrol?

Ciao Fantasy, good new year to you. I don't understand why you have to be hurt personally over these discussions. I think the gov't of the Republic of Italy did quite a nice thing with this official Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol naming. I fully agree with this. But in reality in English the region is called Trentino-Alto Adige, this is what all shows. What is so sad about having the page listed located at that name and in the body of the article listing Trentino-Alto Adige, Trentino-Sudtirol, Trentino-Alto Adige/Sudtirol, etc., etc.? Also, I fear you have a slight misconception. I don't see Rarelibra or anyone else working against "South Tyrol". Do you have an intention for some sort of independences for BZ from Italy? Anyway, I just don't see the need to be so hurt personally over this. I have told you before I am Nones from just over the hill. I would more than anyone like to see this petty fiasco put to bed and a concentration pushed on making the pages actually a nice representation of the region. From all of this, I have learned though that there are quite a few people who have some grand misconceptions.. though I guess I shouldn't be surprised.. *sigh*. regards to you. Taalo 18:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between the independence of countries and the autonomy of a region/province. If you look at Spain, for example, it is a kingdom of autonomous communities. There are various languages (Basque, Catalan, Galician, etc.) but the overall language and usage is Spanish. Some of the areas, towns, etc. are called differently in those languages in the various regions, but even in Wiki you see the Spanish usage as correct with reference to the Spanish name. Take, for example, the autonomous community of Basque Country. The name is translated properly from País Vasco (what Spain designates it), but the Basque language name is Euskadi.

My support of various independences has to do with ceratin situations, and is all based on my own philosophies and beliefs, of course (as are those who oppose such things):

• Western Sahara was originally a Spanish territory that was divested into a "free for all" by Morocco, Mauritania, and Algeria. When the UN attempted to issue a verdict of self-determination for the Sahrawi people, continued intervention by Morocco has continued to stall any kind of determination.

• Kasmir is unique in its history, but has been greatly influenced by such things as the expulsion of all Hindus in the 1990s. Aside from the fighting and arguing, it seems there is hope on progress with the latest statement by Gen. Pervez Musharraf that Pakistan would be willing to give up its claim to Kashmir, if India were to reciprocate and agree to the region's sovereignty.

• Cyprus is amazing in the continued arguing and hatred by each side. It seems that letting the island have its own independence would be key to letting "everyone get along".

• Kurdistan is an example of a failure to enforce treaty with the never-ratified Treaty of Sèvres. Instead, the Allies gave in and accepted the Treaty of Lausanne, accepting the border of modern Turkey and leaving the Kurds without a self-ruled region. Other Kurdish areas were assigned to the new British and French mandated states of Iraq and Syria under both treaties. So this example is one of people who were promised a self-ruled region but were cast aside.

• Kosovo is a situation I support because we have been able to have more and more peace in the region by breaking up into smaller pieces (with Montenegro finally gaining its own independence last year). To avoid the kind of genocide that occurred in the future would be an accomplishment to mankind in itself.

I won't even comment on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because it seems that both sides are at fault.

The list goes on and on... I have certainly learned more by running into various articles (such as the article about Isla Perejil). I know that my own country has disputes along its borders with Canada and Mexico. I think it's funny in some ways - such as Olivenza, which is administered by Spain, but 'claimed' by Portugal (so what does Portugal do, point its finger at Spain and say "as long as you remember that it is really ours")?

The area you are from - Südtirol - is unique in its history as well. However, many regions in Europe have changed hands throughout history and dealt with their 'new' homes. My wife is from Poland - which was sliced and diced many times throughout history - even losing its own sovereignty several times. With the loss and/or gain of each piece of land in history (whether between England and France, France and Spain, England and Spain, France and Germany, Germany and Denmark, Germany and Poland, Poland and Russia, Austria and Italy, on and on and on...), the land becomes part of the new ownership and the names reassigned - sometimes with historical value, sometimes not. Who are we to say that the names must stay a certain way because they have been "called that" for a "long, long time"? In the case of the region you live in, the name of the region - even as you stated as being "Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol", the page should then be called this in English Wikipedia... or, if you are going to translate "Südtirol" to "South Tyrol", then name the page "Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol". But this isn't good enough for some people, who simply want the "South Tyrol" part and not the "Alto Adige" part.

Please don't think I don't recognize the uniqueness of your culture - by far, culture is something I wish was more infused in American learning. However, I also think that there is a little bit of "culture pushing" by others, in a sense of "acceptance" of one side and not the other. I also recognize that if I was searching for the region or province, and ended up on the page I did, I immediately sensed that the name was incorrect somehow. Honestly - it doesn't matter to me where someone is from or what they call it, as long as I can relate to them culturally where they know that I respect and recognize differences (as they would hopefully recognize the same with me). In the US, we get carried away and now have to rename sports teams because it 'offends' others. We take down pagan symbols of Christmas trees to appease a rabbi who wants to push his own religous agenda. I hate it.

Bottom line I guess is it really doesn't matter - not to mean it is trivial, but I can say this... looking at the pics you have on your user page... If I, myself, lived there, I wouldn't care what it was called or what language... as long as it was always called "home"  ;) Rarelibra 18:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Completely agree with what you are saying rarelibra. The idea is not to push down anyone. The region already has a lot of self-rule, which I think is something good for everywhere in the World in fact. I don't see the point of BZ being independent though. Then should every province in Italy be independent? Every valley, every city? :) I still don't know to laugh or cry when I heard Martin S. say that his Ladin grandparents would roll in their grave if they were called Italian. That he is not Italian, and his g/f is not Italian because she is half from Sardinia and Frulia (I think). Who are the real Italians then, and why is everyone so afraid to be said they are from Italy? It is quite bizarre and unnecessary to act like this, though I know it is a part of human nature. I think I read someplace that even the people from Veneto had asked that they be classified as their own distinct race. Man, I wanted to laugh to cry. :} Taalo 18:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sorry, I can't discuss this... but thanks nevertheless! :-)

Sorry, Rarelibra, if I implied that you do something against my home, that was not my intention. But it shows that I have problems discussing this whole issue. My granfather died in prison for the right to use german. Maybe that makes it difficult for me to accept that sometimes it is "easier" to use italian instead of other solutions, even if that is the "right" solution. Sometimes "right" can feel wrong, even if it is right. You are right, thinking "it is nice where I live" helps, and we at the moment have a great life with Italy, I am even proud to be an italian citicen, but I prefer not to discuss this, I hope you understand.

But thanks nevertheless that you (and many others) care about this issues, I trust you take the right decision for Wikipedia :-) Fantasy 14:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

PS: If you come one day to South Tyrol, let me know, I am always happy if I can give Wikipedia-friends some nice days off-line ;-)

Fantasy, I understand. I really cannot personally relate - but my wife grew up under communism, having had to go to school every day and look at another country's flag and recite their words. Did you know that in the US we had a similar problem as your grandfather endured? The state of Louisiana was founded under the French system (having been purchased from the French under the Louisiana Purchase). However, even as 'recent' as 1912, the state of Louisiana passed a law that forbade any use of French in an official capacity, including schools. This, being from a state that was founded under the French system. It boggles the mind. I don't agree with 'cleansing' any German presence - rather, embracing it and recognizing the diversity. But I am a stickler when it comes to naming. The official name changed, thus, we deal with it and move on. It doesn't take away from the rich cultural history you have - it is merely a name for a region and province. That is my 'take' on it. But then again, my job continually meets the challenges of such changes in names... Rarelibra 20:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Fantasy, just to clarify, because we had discussed this some before. At the time your grandfather died in prison wasn't his political goal more for having the province join again with Austria? It seems by the mid 60s there was a situation with relatively equal language rights and an influential SVP; please correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I believe no one is saying to remove any names. The opposite is true, and I would personally insist that the Italian, German, and most importantly local dialects are included. Also, it is a good learning experience to also realize that others in the region were pushed down in the past. In order for the German language to come into this region originally, it took some domination over the locals. So it is a cycle that goes on and on. The most important thing is it for it to stop and people to live as neighbors and friends. take care. Taalo 18:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] headache

ciao fantasy. no one wants to compromise. : \ anyway, please visit both pages for the straw poll. i really hope people can be looking to share with their neighbors rather than go for 100%. myself, I support: 1) Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol and Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol; 2) Province of Bolzano-Bozen and Province of Bolzano-South Tyrol. see what you think. i'm quite saddened by Martin's "us against them" attitude, but that is a whole different story. hope all is well with you. Taalo 21:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alto Adige/South Tyrol

fantasy, i saw you write:

Do not support: 3 languages, 3 names: I am from "South Tyrol", Io vengo dal' "Alto Adige", Ich bin aus "Südtirol". Fantasy 21:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The English one is not just South Tyrol. I can just as well say, "I am from Alto Adige". That is exactly the purpose to put Alto Adige/South Tyrol. South Tyrol is not the sole English translation/usage of this area. Alto Adige is used in English, South Tyrol is used in English. Taalo 09:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] motion to close mediation

hello there,

there was a mediation offer quite a while ago concerning the issue of Trentino-South Tyrol. I am happy to announce that the issue has been discussed, voted upon and settled. However the mediation offer still needs to be officially closed. Please take a minute to visit the page Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-20 Trentino-South Tyrol and put your signature at the bottom if you agree with the decision, thank you. sincerely Gryffindor 20:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• A very important note. This mediation offer concerned the greater overall naming convention to use in this region, not just the name of the region itself. We came up with a very good compromise for the regional name itself. I for one am still looking forward for Lar to help us out. Taalo 21:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I am looking forward to find acceptable solutions for all South Tyrolean names ;-) Fantasy 19:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)