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[edit] patriotism is not fanatacism?

Does the Bush administration think that patriotism and fanaticism are the same thing? Patriotism means supporting your nation to an extent whereas fanaticism means supporting your nation or beliefs no matter what. -- acebrock 4.131.131.37 19:25, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Supporting your nation (a real conglomerate of people,represented by states) and supporting your religion(a complex of stories,memes,concepts and abstract ideas) are fundamentally different.Faith and Nationalism are different concepts don't you agree? Patriotism is not (strictly) fanaticism(adherence to action for one "true" ideology),it not a concrete Ideology(as Nationalism,which its close relative).Its more of broad allegiance to prevalent social power that runs (not necessary goverment) the state,sort of tribal conformism,a vital component for bringing the people under social order and authority(the state structure formation) cf. Nation-state ) . It's when patriotism starts asserting the superiority,uniqueness or special purpose of the nation/ethnos/tribe it becomes nationalism. Like religion(typically a political, expansionist religion) that argues that other religions are false/inaccurate/inferior/misleading/distorted is not designed to explain faith, morality or values,its just affirming authority and truthiness of it (ex:by denial of alternatives,circular reasoning,etc). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.94.149.188 (talk • contribs).

Depending on how people excersize patriotism dertermines the fanatic. Fanacism is not always bad if it does not lead to violence. If someone wants to believe that their country is the best, that is fine, but when people decide that gives them a right to kill others, I don't agree. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.236.85 (talk • contribs).