Talk:Falls of Clyde
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I have just visited the Pommern, an iron hulled four masted barque, now a floating museum in Mariehamn harbour, Finnish Aaland Islands. I therefore dispute the claim that Falls of Clyde is the only surviving four-masted sailing ship in the world. There are probably more.... -- User:80.223.251.134 14:35, 26 Aug 2005
- That depends on which definition of the word ship you use. The original meaning, and probably most appropriate when talking about a vessel of the Falls of Clyde's age, is a sailing vessel which sets square sails on all its masts. By that definition, a barque, which sets fore and aft sails on its aftermost mast, is not a ship. Of course by the modern definition, it is. See the article ship rig. -- Chris j wood 18:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
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- There never were many (fully rigged) ships with more than three masts. The big ships were a response to competition from steamers. At the same time, or slightly later, the big barques were a response to the same competition. The ships sought economy of scale while the barques sought the same plus the ability to sail with relatively small crews. In the short term, the winners were the barques. In the long term motor ships overtook them all, including the steamers.
- This said, it may be suspected that the big German ships were not built for economy so much as for prestige and perhaps to train a naval reserve. It is less surprising then, to find that a ship from the same source as the Pommern and the Pamir, the Preussen, was a five-masted ship. See Preussen (Schiff). (RJP 22:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC))
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- For details of another of these Flying P ships (in English) see this history of the Padua (a four-masted barque). (RJP 08:54, 27 August 2005 (UTC))
According to [1] and [2] she was originally a full rigged ship (i.e. square-rigged on all masts), rerigged as a barque in the early 20th century (i.e. square rigged on the first two or three masts and fore-and-aft rigged on the others), and restored as a full rigged ship. So the distinction is perhaps a bit too pedantic. Gdr 17:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "Set" or "sea"?
The last word of the first line of verse is presently set, but I can't make sense of "sailing across the set." Sea would make more sense, and would also fit in with the A,A,B,B,C,C,... pattern of rhymes, which set does not. Does anyone know if this could be a typo? --Badger151 03:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
