Talk:Fall of Gondolin

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This article still needs work, which I will get to when I have some more time. -- User:Alcarillo 17:15 26 Apr 2004 UTC

done User:Alcarillo 17:35 26 Apr 2004 UTC

The article is incorrect. "Unfinished Tales" does not include a description of the fall of Gondolin. It includes a chapter called "Of Tuor and His Coming to Gondolin" which is an unfinished version of "Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin." The tale ends with Tuor delivering Ulmo's warning to Turgon.

Feel free to jump right in and change it, remember to be bold. TPK 23:47, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I apologize. I am mistaken. The article is correct.

[edit] Wrong category?

Why does this article appear on the Middle-earth battles category page? It is clearly about the literary work, not the battle itself. --Barnikel 16:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the Middle-earth battles category is appropriate, although the addition of say the "The History of Middle-earth" may be appropriate. My reasoning is that although it appears as an independent story in the lost tales book, it is also referred to in several of his other texts (primarily The Silmarillion) as one of the great battles - and an extremely significant event - of the First Age.

You make a good point though and perhaps the article should be tweaked to better represent the wider context of the battle in the history of Middle-earth? At the moment, the article does seem to focus on technicalities regarding Tolkien's literal accounts of the Fall of Gondolin, neglecting almost any details (apart from a solitary sentence) of the actual battle itself and the outcome's effects on Middle-earth. Canderra 20:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

One article on the battle (with a nice info box), and one on the literary history (which is complex) would be great. The former can then be categorised separately from the latter, though both should go in Category:The History of Middle-earth. The titles of the articles would be interesting. I suspect The Fall of Gondolin (currently a redirect) is best for the work, and Fall of Gondolin for the battle (compare to War of the Ring), but I'm not sure about this. Carcharoth 13:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I think doing such would probably be the best idea. Although it would have to be made clear to the reader the existence of each article and wiki-links from within other articles would have to be checked to make sure they point to the most appropriate article. I would like to write a greater account on the actual battle and it's aftermath, as I feel the loss of the princple Elven stronghold of the north was one of the most important events of the First Age, however I'm revising for university exams atm so will try and contribute some more in a month or so. Canderra 17:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)