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[edit] Paragraph on Homosexuality is Bogus

There was never any James L. Fayed who wrote for the New York Times, and there was never any article quoting "close advisors" on Fahd's "homosexuality" and "pederasty." Stupid stuff. If you're going to defame someone, why not use the facts instead of being juvenile? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.180.182.3 (talk • contribs).

Removed since there is no citation, source, and the name above doesn't seem to be a New York Times writer. - Eagletalk 06:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation of 'Fahd'?

Or what is an acceptable pronunciation in English? Both 'Fard' and 'Fuh-HARD' are heard.

In Arabic, it is pronounced FA-HUD (which means "cheetah" by the way) -- Eagleamn 11:06, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] prime minister?

How can someone be their own prime minister? Is this a linguistic issue, or did he give himself the title for its cachet? BillyL 0701, 03/04/05

  • It was a tradition, before Fahd became the king, that the crown prince is the prime minister. When Fahd was the crown prince, he was also the prime minister. When he became the king, he remained the prime minister. -- Eagle 20:24, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
Also, Faisal was the PM as well as the king, making him an absolute ruler. It may be basically because he was only the PM before Ulema permitted him to take over the throne. -- Eagleamn 14:35, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, King fahd can declare himself Taoiseach, if he so pleases. Klonimus 08:27, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
...and the political regime has always been an absolute monarchy...although of course the air force is run by UK forces

[edit] The wonders of the wikipedia

I heard about his death on the BBC at 342 EDT, and decided to come on to update, and I was beat to it. This is why, if I may say so, the Wikipedia will ultimatly win.

  • Well, even worse, I live in Saudi Arabia, and I didn't know about it until now, when I read about his death in this article! -- Eagleamn 08:18, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Allah, forgive him and show mercy to him Qatarson 09:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Year of birth

I noticed there's a slight inconsistency in the article. It gives the year of birth as 1921 but there's a line that says "At the age of nine in 1932...". I'm not sure which one is right or wrong, so anyone who knows more could probably do something about this. Hayabusa future 15:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Birthdate?

First I read about his death at BBC News which says he was born in 1923, died in 2005, and yet somehow was 84 when he died.

Then I find Fahd which says his birthdate is "1923?".

But this article says he was born in 1921, which would indeed make him 84 when he died. Yet throughout the rest of the article, it references a birth date of 1923--"At the age of nine in 1932", "In 1953, at the age of 30", and so on.

When was he really born?

  • This site and Al Jazeera state that he was born in 1923, but as to his real date of birth, there were no meticulous records kept in Arabia in 1920s in the Saudi house. A lot of the birth dates of the Saudi princes are speculative.

Peter 15:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia Britannica says that he was the first son of Hasa Sudairi after her remarriage to King Al-Saud, and that he was born in 1923. I presume that means they had figured it out that he had to have been born in 1923, due to discrepancies in the dates between the marriage to her former spouse and to the King.
Does anyone know when she married Al-Saud, and how many daughters they had before the birth of King Faud?
WB2 05:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I think I'm gonna change it back; unless there are any objections?
WB2 05:58, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
O.K. I think I see where they got the 1921 date from: Helen Chapin Metz Saudi Arabia, A Country Study (1992)
But she says that Fahd was born in 1921, Abd Allah was born in 1923, and Sultan was born in 1927.
Isn't that supposed to be Abdallah; and I think Sultan was born January 5, 1928.
WB2 05:15, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Someone should add more information on his relationship with the United States during his reign as King DigiBullet 15:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] King Faisal Mosque

Why does this article have a picture of the King Faisal Mosque in Islamabad. It's not clear what it has to do with King Fahd. Shouldn't either its provenance be explained or alternatively be removed? jguk 20:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

The only reason I can think of for it being there is that he built it and named it after Faisal. In any case, this isn't explained in the article and the picture isn't particularly relevant anyway. It also appears to be a copyvio. — Trilobite (Talk) 01:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Attendee's at funeral

BRITAIN - The Prince of Wales

UNITED STATES Delegation of diplomats. May include George Bush Snr

AUSTRALIA - Michael Jeffery, Governor-General

FRANCE - President Jacques Chirac

AFGHANISTAN - President Hamid Karzai

ALGERIA - President Abdelaziz Bouteflika

ARAB LEAGUE - Amr Moussa, Secretary-General

AZERBAIJAN - President Ilham Aliyev

BAHRAIN - King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa

BANGLADESH - President Iajuddin Ahmed

BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA - Prime Minister Adnan Terzic

BRUNEI - Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah

CHINA - Hui Liangyu, a special envoy of President Hu Jintao and a vice premier

CZECH REPUBLIC - President Vaclav Klaus and first Deputy Foreign Minister Jan Winkler

EGYPT - President Hosni Mubarak

INDONESIA - Jusuf Kalla, Vice President

IRAQ - Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari and President Jalal Talabani

JORDAN - King Abdullah and Queen Rania will head delegation

LEBANON - President Emile Lahoud and Prime Minister Fouad Siniora lead delegation

MAURITANIA - President Maaouya Ould Sid’Ahmed Taya

MOROCCO - Prince Rachid, younger brother of King Mohammed

NIGERIA - Atiku Abubakar, Vice-President

OMAN - Sultan Qaboos

PAKISTAN - President Pervez Musharraf

PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY President Mahmoud Abbas

PHILIPPINES - Vice President Noli de Castro

SENEGAL - President Abdoulaye Wade

SOUTH KOREA - Prime Minister Lee Hae-chan

SRI LANKA - Prime Minister Mahinda Rajapaksa

SYRIA - President Bashar al-Assad

THAILAND - Kantathi Suphamongkhon, Foreign Minister

TURKEY - Abdullah Gul, Foreign Minister

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - President Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahayan

YEMEN - President Ali Abdullah Saleh

[edit] Date of death

Was on July 31, 2005. Why dates used in Wikipedia are that of anouncement in the US and not local dates?

[edit] Fundamentalism, Iran, and Islamic education

"Following his education at the Princes' School, Fahd moved on to the Religious Knowledge Institute in Mecca, where he studied Wahhabi Islam. " no such institute exists in makkah, although there is a dar-al-hadith (House of Knowledge/narrations) but it is HIGHLY unlikely that he attended there because it is a strict seminary only for the devout and willing. Heavy, in a nutshell.

Its more like "oud" cemetary rather than "od".

The bit about "Fundamentalism, Iran, and Islamic education" is abit sketchy and needs editing. it alludes that the shia were responsible for the hostage taking in the holy mosque in makkah. it wasnt the shia, it was an extremist sect from the eastern province. also it happened during the reign of khalid not fahd. but the shias did stage a protest in makkah during the hajj season in the 1980s and caused alot of bloodshed, but this is not mentioned in the article. all in all tht bit needs quite abit of improvement to conform to historical accuracy --Blingpling 09:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

What's this bit about him being called "King Fahad gooz-bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud"? The "gooz" bit doesn't appear in the Arabic writing in the article, in fact Arabic doesn't even have a 'g' unless you are including 'ghain', then it would be ghooz, and anyway I have never heard of "gooz" before. Is this just an act of vandalism?

Apologies if I'm talking bilge due to limited knowledge of Arabic!

Milvinder 14:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

It was vandalism which was removed. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 09:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit tags

Huge chunks of this gross, bloated article need to be stripped out and thrown away. This is a biography, not a hagiography, and not The History and Government and Economy and Educational System of the Exalted Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Gene Nygaard 16:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] This is the longest article i have ever seen

You need to reduce the contents it is too long!--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 03:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

And indeed, it is WP's longest on any person, living or dead. Issues with its excessiveness, along with tone and grammar concerns, will have to be addressed tomorrow at WP:PR. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 00:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, the length issue has already been addressed by another editor. All the fancrufty nonsense copied directly from another website has been removed. The article has now been reduced by half. Jeffpw 12:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Al Saud" or "al-Saud"

I know very little Arabic, but as far as I can tell, the name of the dynasty is آل سعود, which should be transliterated as "Al Saud" = house of Saud, and not "al-Saud" = the Saud. In the former, the "al" is a separate word, and in the latter, the "al" is a prefix denoting the definite article, hence the hyphen. Is the distinction I am making correct at all? The "al-Saud" combination is very common in Wikipedia, and it seems incorrect to me, does any of you know?--Doron 12:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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