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[edit] Nagorno Karabakh
Hey Fadix. I wonder what your position is on including Staravoitova's USIP link on the Karabakh page. Your input will be appreciated.
- In my opinion, that person isen't any less credible than Atkinson. We can not decide ones credibility here in Wikipedia, the source exist, and if there is no published answer to the source, we can not include our personal critics and dismiss a link. Fad (ix) 16:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well put, Fadix. I did invite others for input on the talk page, so feel free to post this on the talk page, unless you object.--TigranTheGreat 23:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Celine Dion
I've replied to your comments on Talk:Céline Dion. Orane (t) (c) (e) 21:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Irrelevant stuff.
Fadix, Eagle has posted long irrelevant ranting on the Armenian Genocide TALK page. It's absolutely out of place and makes the page load slower. Please have it deleted. (you can see it in the history)--TigranTheGreat 17:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Your attitude
What are you talking about me trying to discredit you and being "low"? Looking back through my history, it was entirely clear why i brought up your block. You introduced my edit in the article by stating "Garnet, who was previously E.A., is continuisly reverting the reference to Ecevit etc., in the Turkish government section, which is unacceptable, this is not the first time he does such things, he in the past entirly deleted a section in the article" to which i replied "Do not try and smear my name on these pages, especially since you have been blocked for incivility already". This was a completely justified remark following your attempt to portray me as a vandal. I had warned you about your incivility weeks before your block, then you were blocked, and then you were uncivil in your conduct with me again, much like you have been in past two days. If you have a history of not being able to communicate in a civilised manner, then I will of course warn you by mentioning your prior offence. Likewise If I had a history of breaking the 3RR, then I would expect someone to mention my previous block. And you obviously don’t have a leg to stand on if you try to equate my 3RR offence in my early days as a "warning" from and administrator about my conduct, from which you have been so honourable not to mention. Pathetic. --A.Garnet 19:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- The only reason I pointed to your past login was because at that time you recently changed it, and was an information and since I myself learned of your changing of login not so long before I pointed to it it was relevent to name your past alias. Also, I have never been blocked for incivility because the decision was REVERSED, and this by the same Admin who took the decision to first block me!!! I was temporarly blocked for an accusation in an arbitration cases which was interpreted by an Admin as incivility and you knew that but you used it regardless. Also, I have never EVER been harsh with you for materials you have added but those you have deleted I am generally very harsh with deletion of materials... and I also already warned you to stop deleting things on your own talk page and it was a kind request and was far from being harsh. Also, I don't remember having called you a vandal.
[edit] Hello
Dear Fadix, I saw you on Raffi's userpage, hope you read my remarks. It's an honor to know you :)--TigranTheGreat 22:35, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Census
Fadix, do you have access to the sources containing the official 1897 census data (with the ethnic breakdown)--either Universalis, or your CD-ROM, or anything?--TigranTheGreat 23:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's ok, no rush, what you provided from 1911 Britanica shall suffice for now. To be honest, never heard of Universalis.
- By the way, do you have access to your sources stating that Caucasus Arm. population had decreased by 20K before the repatriation, or even better, that the repatriation was done to partially compensate for that loss? I mean, including that Russian book that you posted?
- One more thing. I glanced over your CIA sources on the NK page. Could you explain how exactly they help with this whole de-jure business? Thanks.--TigranTheGreat 07:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] C.Cat
Hi, Fadix. If Cat keeps insisting on putting the tag on, can you explain the situation to a sympathetic admin and get him to lock the page without the tag? Or get him to insist that Cat stops adding it - as I said on the discussion page, if one user had the right to keep a tag on then most of wikipedia's political topics would be "disputed".
FYI, he has reverted the page twice already, so watch out if he breaks the 3RR. Cheers, John Smith's 17:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NK status
Hi Fadix. At the end of the "Intro" segment in the NK Talk page I put two paragraphs--one containing "officially" and the other containing "within official borders". I asked you and Eupator to say which one you guys prefer. Let me know (either on the talk page or here) which one you prefer, before I ask the opinion of third parties and moderators. Thanks.--TigranTheGreat 01:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Armeniangenocide1.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Armeniangenocide1.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).
The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}
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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. Cool CatTalk|@ 14:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Armenianmassacres.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Armenianmassacres.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).
The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}
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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. Cool CatTalk|@ 16:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Armenian Genocide pictures
This is not what Coolcat is requesting, he is requesting that I prove that those pictures can be used in Wikipedia without copyright infrigement and then in the same time, requesting that I prove that the deaths are Armenians. The sourcing(books etc.) are widelly available on the web, and from a website run by one Wikipedian who present the same photos and refer to the books from which they were taken in his own website and Coolcat already is aware of that. [1] This is not the type of evidences he is requesting, what he is requesting he knows he can twist it and then claim that it was not provided. Fad (ix) 01:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ref the Armenian pictures, I have changed the tags on all save the one from the Soviet source. As you added this yourself, do you still have the reference as to where you got it? All you need is the reference of the book/source. John Smith's 20:03, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- False, for images to stay all you need is A source per image (it could be the same book). A book of origin is more than adequate (I'd like to see the page name etc) however thwn images would have to be tagged with "fair use" which restricts their usage. I however prefer images to be PD.
- To be able to use them in the article you need proof that pictures are authentic and are from the armenian genocide and not some other incident. This has nothing to do with copyrights. It's common sense to use authetic images on articles and not fabricated ones or images from an unrelated incident. A short descrition of every image would make the images more usefull.
- I could have gotten the images deleted secretly. I am not required to notify you. I tagged the images in good faith and there are very fast ways to get rid of images with suspected copyright violations. I also notified all parties involved on talk:Armenian Genocide.
- I really am not asking for much am I? Next time instead of writing several essays on my character and/or other nonsense, perhaps try to find information regarding copyrights of images. Jimbo Wales ruled that untagged images are to be deleted with a 7 day notice. This applies to every image uploaded to wikipedia. If I had not have done this someone would eventualy do this (perhaps when you are on vacation and not looking) and they would have been deleted. I am doing you a big favor actualy.
- --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Armenian Genocide
See the article. I don't really want to argue as I don't have anything at stake in this. I'm just going to make notes on the talk page and you can fix them if you like. I'm not going to add {{neutrality}} and neither will I remove it. I'm happy to suggest alternate wording when I can think of something. - FrancisTyers 16:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dhimmi
"this article lacks the cite your source tone" Not sure what you mean here. Do you want to say that we must explicitly mention in the artcle which scholar said what? Pecher Talk 18:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes, that is what I basically meant. I won't get involved in the discussion, I gnerally get away from religious discussions as an agnostic so I just commented about the general impression of the article. Fad (ix) 00:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Fadix, your main page says you got email, but it has no link to it. How would I email you if I wanted?--TigranTheGreat 00:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Taner Akçam
I don't like this (Akçam = left wing terrorist). Do you have reliable sources/info on his conviction(s)? Cheers, --tickle me 09:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Afd
Fadix, I know. I agree that the article is hopeless POV and shouldn't exist. But I just couldn't stand the insults that were already pouring in from the authors. If you would like to go ahead and start an Afd on this, I will support. I'm just not feeling like starting a war right now. pschemp | talk 07:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What is your problem?
I have been reading pages of text that shows your personal clashes with others. Your tone is irresponsible, unrespectful, etc. If people do not respond to you, that is because you show signs of extreme fanaticism that scares people. You are a very scary person! It is not acceptable, in any means, that everything should be filtered from your Godly hand. No one has that right, or expertise. Your actions not only irritating everyone but they are reaching to a level of being a psychological disorder. What kind of megalomania is that you can demand that things will fit to your ideology or way of understanding. I have been trying to deal with you. Trying to show some respect of your deletions and change the text that will fit to your needs, but this is only to make wikipedia "a cooperative" environment (that is what it is) not that my additions are factually wrong, or you are right. Please refrain yourself. --Karabekir 23:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- User_talk:Tommiks#Armenian_issues
- Timeline_of_Armenian_Genocide_and_Turkish_War_of_Independence example, as the rest of the series.
- Special:Contributions/Karabekir contribution times and Special:Contributions/Cool_Cat
- I exclude here expressions etc., if you still don't get what I mean I can perhaps present more obvious examples, I will be alerting administrators you really made your cases worster and I will have to add this to the arbitration cases and request a worst sanction. I knew this from the beggining but said nothing about it, or when I was informed that you believed that another user and me were the same person I knew that you would pop-up with another alias. I refused to do anything about it and pretended that you were trully a new user because I was really not interested to do something that will get you possibly blocked, but from your answer you forced me to give it away, sorry CoolCat. Truly yours. Fad (ix) 23:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm REALLY soory, 4u. Hope, you can find a way to get out of the situation that makes you act or think this way. There is nothing I can say to you. --Karabekir 00:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Coolcat give it up, try saving the little crebility that is left to you and check both of your aliases contribution time and don't force me to copypast expressions that are proper to you used under both aliases. BTW, I had to warn people at the talk page and presented the situation to Tony. Fad (ix) 00:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I am just warning you that I am considering reopening the arbitration cases
Just to let you know that I will request a harder sanction for what you did. Fad (ix) 00:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the heads up. Feel free to as nothing is stoping you but I thought you were ignoring me.
- What did I do by the way? I am rather busy writing my anti-vandal bot and we have a decent mess in korean wikipedia. Hence am making minimal wikipedia contribution.
- --Cool CatTalk|@ 01:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Coolcat, you are hardly being convincing, I would have thought that you would try harder... I am giving you a last chance to come clean, I swear I will open an arbitration cases if you don't, and this time around the evidences won't manage you. Fad (ix) 01:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- ??? You are confusing me.... --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- I have warned you, let the arbitrators decide then. Fad (ix) 02:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- At least inform me the nature of the dispute.... --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Coolcat, you are so predictable, in a world where it isen't you, you would still have known it given that the dispute was just above your answer in my talk page and that the center of the dispute was around an article in which an alias appeared soon after you left. You have used this same innocent behavior in the past, but this time it won't work I am afraid, if I were you I would start documenting in the upcoming arbitration cases that I will submit in the upcoming days, to explain how come an innocent user who could barely write English(faking his English that is) would creat chronology tables by using your code paterns, coloring his tables exactly like you do, and the green crap on the right for cited ones, using the same expressions etc, and many other examples. Fad (ix) 02:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- I do not pay attention to other peoples talk pages much unless I care about them. Tonikaku your attitude is quite annoying. For whatever the reason (I am not certain why) you are threatening me with arbitration.
- Since you have predetermined what to do, nothing I say will matter. So go ahead with whatever you have in mind.
- --Cool CatTalk|@ 03:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- About my "coding patterns", I am among the people who make a decent contribution to a variery of topics on some occasions "my coding patterns" have shaped structure of pages interwiki. It is perfectly normal for you to frequently observe "my conding patterns". For example User:Jimbo Wales and some subpages contain "my coding paterns".
- --Cool CatTalk|@ 19:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Coolcat, you are so predictable, in a world where it isen't you, you would still have known it given that the dispute was just above your answer in my talk page and that the center of the dispute was around an article in which an alias appeared soon after you left. You have used this same innocent behavior in the past, but this time it won't work I am afraid, if I were you I would start documenting in the upcoming arbitration cases that I will submit in the upcoming days, to explain how come an innocent user who could barely write English(faking his English that is) would creat chronology tables by using your code paterns, coloring his tables exactly like you do, and the green crap on the right for cited ones, using the same expressions etc, and many other examples. Fad (ix) 02:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- At least inform me the nature of the dispute.... --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- I have warned you, let the arbitrators decide then. Fad (ix) 02:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- ??? You are confusing me.... --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Coolcat, you are hardly being convincing, I would have thought that you would try harder... I am giving you a last chance to come clean, I swear I will open an arbitration cases if you don't, and this time around the evidences won't manage you. Fad (ix) 01:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Based on checkuser, it is extremely unlikely that Karabekir is Cool Cat. Fred Bauder 03:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Coolcat, I pitty you for still trying to deny the obvious, I will be also trying to request a checkuser in Turkish wikipedia, I just hope for you that you tok the precautions to use an open proxy there too, I really hope for you. Fad (ix) 02:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] OK Coolcat, lets say I am trying to assume good faith
Are you claiming that all those layouts that I was reffering to and that you have created are now widely used here in Wikipedia, not only in English Wikipedia but even Turkish? Is that what you are claiming? Fad (ix) 23:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Thats exactly whats happening, you may also see my code on de.wiki ja.wiki, fr.wiki. You might be using a modified version of one of my designs on your userpage, who knows. Thats the beulty of contributing to a range of topics and templates
- For instance try this: Check the history of English template (mind the date being sep 10 2005) and Turkish template (mind that its created by tr:User:Oytun Yalçın 25 february 2006). You will see that the English template was created long before the Turkish one. However I have modified the english one as well as turkish one recently so as to make the code more readable.
- I also applied a similar code to {{Oh My Goddess}}, a japanese anime unrelated to Turkish Military. This may be coppied to Ja wiki over a matter of few months. This does not mean I have japanese socks but rather people like what I created.
- The template design isn't uneque to me. See {{NATO}} for an example of a much more complicated template with a similar code.
- --Cool CatTalk|@ 00:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply, now, this is my last question and I will not be bothering asking it again and will leave you alone with it. Are you Nafiz who contribute in Turkish Wikipedia? Fad (ix) 03:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- No, I am Bg:User:Cool Cat, De:User:Cool Cat, En:User:Cool Cat, Es:User:Cool Cat, Fr:User:Cool Cat, It:User:Cool Cat, Ja:User:Cool Cat, Nl:User:Cool Cat, No:User:Cool Cat, Pl:User:Cool Cat, Pt:User:Cool Cat, Ru:User:Cool Cat, Sv:User:Cool Cat, Th:User:Cool Cat, Tr:User:Cool Cat, Zh:User:Cool Cat. My other aliases are fairly easy to trace such as En:User:WOPR. I also have 59 Imposters (people posing as me) a list is avalible at User:Cool Cat/Impersonators
- Feel free to inquire anything, I'll gladly answer to the best of my abilities.
- --Cool CatTalk|@ 11:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply, now, this is my last question and I will not be bothering asking it again and will leave you alone with it. Are you Nafiz who contribute in Turkish Wikipedia? Fad (ix) 03:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I would like you to reconsider your vote
The specified Armenian timelines are unique contributions of the author. As they are collection of dates and events, and it is the organization of the dates makes it unique to this author. There is no page on the internet that organized these events within these categories. This set of pages are UNIQUE and not copyvios. It would be very good tool to develop timeline of these activities who are realy seeking for TRUTH. I belive you would like to see them developing too. Thanks for your attention. --OttomanReference 18:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Initiating the process of disbute resolution
I think you would like this effort; Karabekirs additions on the Turkish position is moved to the "Position of Turkey" page. Please give your position on its talk page, as soon as possible so that we can unite the section to the main page. --OttomanReference 20:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- thanks for everything --OttomanReference 22:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- First, somebody tagged the temporary page for deletion and told that these has to be performed under user page, so I created one. It is really not intended to be developed in two parts which should never be tolerated as you say. this is the page --OttomanReference 22:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Second, I itemized the claims (as far as I can) . If you pass over them and tell which ones needs to be droped or developed, that would be nice.--OttomanReference 22:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Third, Please do what ever is necessary to fit the timelines to your understanding. But I personally think they will be good tools if developed appropriately. --OttomanReference 22:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
The rest of the article is restored; I guess this would satisfy your position. I have no other solution in my mind that would make you totally happy right away. thanks.--OttomanReference 20:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Armenian Genocide memorial
I did study the contributions of the person who answered to me and found out that the list was very short and not very useful (half of it were insults to other editors). I went away without more comments because it wasn't worth the trouble, and the links to the pictures I took (useful or not) are already there for anyone to see. Thanks for taking notice. If you need help with really disruptive users, let me know. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 19:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Justin McCarthy a respected scholar?
This is your department: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adana#Adana_massacre.2Frebellion --Eupator 23:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Adana
Hi, Fadix. Thank you for your messages. About the term "Adana massacre," I understand what you are saying, but at the same time it is not necessarily a neutral term considering that others (namely the Turkish side, whose POV I'm sure you are familiar with) dispute this usage, preferring "rebellion" instead. I personally find the Turkish POV suspect since there is widespread denial concerning the Armenian Genocide - however, in the case of Adana I think things are not so black and white, especially since it seems that many Turks died as a result as well and that this part of the history has been obscured or ignored.
Concerning McCarthy, I agree that he is considered controversial (this is obvious considering he is sympathetic to the Turkish POV), but I strongly disagree in comparing him with a racist and reviled figure like Zundel. McCarthy is an academic and respected enough that he is both a published author and employed in an American university. However, I have never suggested using him as a prime source - what I have suggested is that both POVs be represented and that the article attempt to be inclusive of all the victims and balance the material provided. As I've said before, if scholarly sources were abundant, we wouldn't be having this discussion since we would know much more about what happened and how many died.
BTW, I am not very familiar with the writings of Orhan Pamuk, but do you know what he has written about Adana? SouthernComfort 03:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Well That is interesting
Regarding (for): I thought you should know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fadix/evidencepage. The question is why? If you wanted to participate in the edition of the Armenian genocide page, why havn't you said so? Why have you used socks insteed? I wasn't expecting you to do something like that, now I just don't know of what to think about you.
I do not know you; but I'm a grad student, who earns his life through teaching. I know; I do not contribute all the time. I guess that is what the patterns of red colors in your page means. It is nice that someone spends time in digging my work. :-) You have to remember that I need to work hard around midterms and deadlines that explain my side of the argument. There are students/academics like me. Their activities may match, given the academic datelines. I could tell you this much, I have close friends that share same opinions, same background. Sometimes I help them with programming. I'm sure you have such friends. I have no idea what you are blaming me for, or if there is blame? For the Armenian genocide page, that page is in my watch list since 2005. I have been watching over it, without any involment. If I see some activity that is beyond basic noise, I try to understand the significance of it in that page. Personally, If I'm not wrong (you can correct me, I'm not sure) for the last two years I have contributed once to that page, and that was only to arrange some text. I do not recall adding or deleting anything. Also, I could not stop myself once on commenting on regarding the Turkish official historical positions that were targeting you and your opponent which seems it was a hot debate on a wrong premise. I put a remark on your paragraph and made sure that Turkish "State Ministry" basically selects published information and promotes them, but not come-up with them. You can tell me if I ever fixed those arguments in that page that should not be worded from state side. I do not remember. I felt I was the third leg in that position. --tommiks 23:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
You have the right not to like my additions. What is the problem here? I worked very hard on couple pages, you stop short on my history. I can verify my additions as they have very respected citations. I do not see you have any objections on that. I covered the Armenian page pervious paragraph. I have nothing to do with you personally, if that is your argument. I do not know which pages you are contributing. But it seems you have extensive information on me. That is disturbing. I'm really approaching positively. But I do not see any factual or personal conflict with you. What is the source of your feelings that made you spend so much time on me? Are you someone from my past that I had clashes? Are you using a proxy name?--tommiks 23:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Regarding (for): the text you drop on my page: I have thousands of edit (I worked on a single page for a long time) and thousands of copy-edits. Such as making a paragraph a section, or moving a sentence to another page. That is what I’m seeing in your arguments. The rest seems to me are very good thoughts on your side; I guess that fits to the context of the article. What I’m interested is; if you are accusing me of copying someone else's work or specially your work, I’m sure there is another explanation. responding to my edits: I know statistics. I use a program to check student works. But I also know to ask the student before reaching any conclusions. “Copy-edit” generates two papers look very similar. I ‘m sure there is something you are missing and having wrong assumptions. If you are blaming me specifically on the Armenian genocide page, (I have already summarized), I do not understand where you are going. I have done so many copy-edits aiming to “making things easier to read as pretext” especially for my own reading. I guess you do not perceive them as “making things easier to read for you”. That is fine. I have no intention to deal with that. If you have solid arguments that I can respond, such as injecting POV? I give you authority to delete them. I can see you are very dedicated to that page. I would like to help you; to resolve your issues, if you tell me what caused your obsessive behavior on my edits. There has to be a reason, as I have no personal contact with you. You have given so much time... --tommiks 16:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I appologize Coolcat
You were not Karabekir, while my research shows you were implicated in the Febuary 10s lobbying, Tommiks was behind those alias. [2], [3].
I admit when I am wrong. Fad (ix) 01:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Glad that was cleared, next time I suggest you try opening hailing frequencies before firing all phasers. --Cool CatTalk|@ 01:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Here a proposition for you, as I have shown in my evidence page, a merging test is the best way to track socks(but not vandals with no specific interests)), how hard would it be to write such a program? I have some ideas on the type of tests the program should do. With this kind of test introduced in checkuser, it will be much more difficult for a user to hide behind socks. It could answer with a correlation value and a probabilistic % that this is due to chance with a comparative sample. Fad (ix) 01:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Checkuser and this are completely two diferent procedures.
- Checkuser is someone determining if two aliases are the same based on IP as well as logs. Every edit made comes with a number of unique signatures establishing who made the edit. It is possible to fool a number of them but people who checkuser are fairly through with this. Generaly persistant socks such as User:MARMOT don't require checkuser to be blocked anyways. Only very few users have this kind of access. I am not even entrusted with admin privilages so I cant quite assist you with this one just yet.
- I asked User:Interiot for something like that quite a while ago. His hands are generally full and he may need a reminder. This is a delicate process though. You do not want to use arbitrary percentages accusing random people. It is possible to have false positives for two unrelated people of which one contributes weekdeays and another weekends. I do not know how hard the programming would be but for Interiot it would be a walk in the park.
- --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- I know how checkuser work, I just thought that it would be good if this kind of method is incorporated, and % are not really arbitrary, it depends on the type of rules you set, comparing with a heterogenous sample. Study of the heterogenouty or homogenouty of the continuity between two different users might be enought, this coupled with word search on the contribution summaries or the articles title with a correlation or regression test from the center, more proximal the other users contribution in the same article or articles containing the same word to the user, higher the confidence rate. It would be easy to fake checkuser, but not such a test. -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fadix (talk • contribs).
- Trust me I debated this to death with a number of people. Giving numbers is bad practice as people would start banning other people based on percentages which does not necesarily mean they are sockpuppets. People often edit wikipedia after work and due to workhours and/or timezones lots of people will appear as sockpuppets. An american and a chineese can edit the same article for months with a sockpuppet patern. I do feel such a tool is necesary but I am skeptical how usefull it would be. --Cool CatTalk|@ 20:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- I know how checkuser work, I just thought that it would be good if this kind of method is incorporated, and % are not really arbitrary, it depends on the type of rules you set, comparing with a heterogenous sample. Study of the heterogenouty or homogenouty of the continuity between two different users might be enought, this coupled with word search on the contribution summaries or the articles title with a correlation or regression test from the center, more proximal the other users contribution in the same article or articles containing the same word to the user, higher the confidence rate. It would be easy to fake checkuser, but not such a test. -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fadix (talk • contribs).
- Here a proposition for you, as I have shown in my evidence page, a merging test is the best way to track socks(but not vandals with no specific interests)), how hard would it be to write such a program? I have some ideas on the type of tests the program should do. With this kind of test introduced in checkuser, it will be much more difficult for a user to hide behind socks. It could answer with a correlation value and a probabilistic % that this is due to chance with a comparative sample. Fad (ix) 01:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks!
Hey Fadix, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 05:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Just curious
Why did you sign as Matthew Brown (Morven) ? --Eupator 22:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
- Roger that. Thanks.--Eupator 23:09, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikiproject: Armenia
Hakob and I, decided to make a Wikiproject for Armenia. We hope that you and other Armenian wikipedia editors, will take the time to expand Armenian related articles and create new articles on topics currently without one. Please feel free to share your thoughts on the project and have fun! Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Armenia --Moosh88 01:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thankyou
I would like to thank you fatdix for helping me realize that I should ignore you because in the end, you are truly insignificant. Thomas Friedman said it best: those who dwell into the past will be left behind whilst those who have the imagination and look forward will benefit fully from the flattening of the world. Go back to your cave little man, its no wonder that the people you so dearly cherish live in the stone age! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.77.99.170 (talk • contribs).
[edit] RfA Results and Thanks
Fadix/archive7, thank you for your constructive opposition in my recent RfA. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared (final: 65/29/7), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. In the meantime, I will do my best to address your concerns in the hope that when the opportunity for adminship arises once again, you will reconsider your position. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Wikipedia, you are more than welcome to do so. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on the most righteous path.
--- joturner 05:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC) |