Talk:Fëa and hröa

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Is the reincarnation of elven fëa really that common? I was under the impression that only a handful chose the route. -- Kizor 08:33, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Depends on which version of which story you follow. Since Elves are immortal within Arda, the unbodied state is an unnatural one, and all Elves in principle will be allowed reïncarnation in physical bodies. But since many will have committed sins, or even openly rebelled against Ilúvatar and his chosen representative, the Valar, the Valar can deny an Elf reïncarnation.

The Avari originally denied the summons, and for that reason may be withheld the right of reïncarnation. Most Avari will probably refuse the command to come to Mandos in the first place, dooming them to "die" as much as an Elf can: cause their Fëa to dwell in Arda, unbodied and impotent.

Most Ñoldor rebelled, and even if they were later forgiven, they will have to serve an undetermined length of time in Mandos' halls. Most of them would be allowed reïncarnation, however. Vide Glorfindel.

Only Finwë and Fëanor are specifically mentioned as having been denied reïncarnation, albeit for very different reasons. Jordi·✆ 18:14, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fea

How do you spell fea with the two little dots on top of the e?

You can use "Insert" under "Save page" or code ë. This letter is called e-umlaut. --RedDragon 15:22, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

But keep in mind technically it is not an umlaut, but diaeresis. Copy-paste will also work to paste an ë. Jordi·✆ 18:14, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fëa not quite = Flame Imperishable

"The Children of Ilúvatar (Elves and Men) are described as existing as two parts: they have a "spirit" or "soul" called fëa which comes from the Secret Fire of Ilúvatar"

I've been all over HoME looking for a straightforward statement on this and never found one. There is the spark of the Flame/Fire in all rational incarnates, and they all have fëar, but I've never been able to demonstrate that the two are necessarily the same thing. A citation here would be good. --Osric.17:31, 13 September 2005 (UTC)