Talk:Ex-Nazis

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1 Merge Articles?
2 Postbellum
3 Members who resigned...
4 Can somebody provide reliable references for ODESSA? set up by Bormann and Himmler
5 Dinko Sakic
6 His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
7 Deletions concerning Hans Globke

[edit] Merge Articles?

This article should be put together with List of famous Nazis influential after 1945

[edit] Postbellum

This paragraph is meaningless:

Upon termination of the war and the creation of Federal Germany, the districts that voted majority Nazi in 1932 voted the Social Democrat ticket in 1972. (1)

Comment: In the elections 1972, Social Democrats became strongest party in West-Germany, in most districts they gained the majority. Chancellor Willy Brandt, a persecutee of the Nazi regime, fetched the best results the for Social Democratic Party ever, even although the right treated him with hostility because of his absence from Germany during the Nazi and war time and because of his reconciliation policy with Poland.

How can someone talk of something happening in 1972 as being "upon the termination of the war"? And the whole paragraph on the 1972 elections is completely irrelevent. AndyL 22:07, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You delete any material you don't like. Well I put it back in. Andy, who elected you as censor around here???WHEELER 20:31, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Wheeler, what leads you to believe that you are above reasonable criticism? The comparison of election results under discussion here is, in my opinion, bogus, and it comes as little surprise that it originates from a self-described anti-democrat. --Maikel 11:11, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Members who resigned...

...would be lots of thousands, makes no sense to list them within an articel about "Ex-nazis"

I needed a place to put Hermann Rauschning as a category if you don't mind. Otherwise he would be lost in cyber space. There are people out there, who would be interested in this information.WHEELER 20:31, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Whether they resigned or not doesnt change the fact that at one point in time they were Nazi's, hence "Ex-Nazi" still applies to them.Xlegiofalco 23:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can somebody provide reliable references for ODESSA? set up by Bormann and Himmler

Unless I get references, I will remove it, because I believe it is nonsense. Andries 00:14, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Dinko Sakic

Shouldnt Dinko Sakic be in this category?? He is currently serving 20 years for his crimes...He should even have his own article,since he is not a "Ex Nazi",he is current Nazi,since he is very proud of his nazism.

YXYX 03:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe Dinko Sakic rather belongs in Pursuit of Nazi collaborators. Thanks for your help anyhow! Tazmaniacs 00:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI

A question which would answer my original question (whether Pope Benedict XVI should be included in the list) is "does serving in any branch of the Nazi Armed Forces make one a Nazi?" There are many instances for people who were in the Wermacht or any branch because service was an obligation but that doesnt necessarily denote an approval or concurrence of Nazi doctrine and ideals. Even though the brand of an "Ex-Nazi" could be percieved as derogatory, understanding their circumstances and the manner they acted in are more important than a label. Many people on the current lists were generals and commanders, why would it be different for people who remained enlisted, like the current Pope and Georges Cziffra? Xlegiofalco 06:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

and Gunter Grass YXYX 14:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

This article is concerned about objective membership to Nazi organisations. Thus, yes, being a member of the Wehrmacht is included. It does not concern itself about the personal reasons and individual trajectories which each person later have, whether they proudly remained support of Nazism, or never made any self-criticism (Martin Heidegger being a famous one for this...), or dissimulated their membership (Gunter Grass above-mentioned) or rejected their membership (Benedict XVI and Gunter Grass). We can't read in people's minds, but we can, accordingly to Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability, acknowledge if one was member or not of a Nazi organization. Tazmaniacs 19:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

This article is concerned with Nazis. That is a crappy term, not easily defined but the best thing is to go by membership in Nazi organisations, most importanly NSDAP, SS, SA. The Wehrmacht was no Nazi organisation. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 18:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions concerning Hans Globke

Dear Str1977, you have deleted twice ([1], [2]) the passage on Hans Globke, claiming that to your "personal knowledge" he was "not a Nazi" but merely a "civil servant".

"Hans Globke (1898-1973), who worked with Adolf Eichmann in the Jewish Affairs Department drafting the Nuremberg laws, became director of the German Chancellery from 1953 to 1963 and then Konrad Adenauer's national security adviser (CIA Ties With Ex-Nazis Shown, The Washington Post, June 7, 2006 ; Why Israel's capture of Eichmann caused panic at the CIA, The Guardian, June 8, 2006)"

As you can read again, there are two sources, one from the Washington Post, the other from The Guardian, concerning Hans Globke. Please be careful in the future. Thanks. Fare well (despite our Wikipedian disagreements...) Tazmaniacs 06:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)