User talk:Evrik/Archive 5

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[edit] Instant Karma

[edit] The Barnstar of Good Humor

The Barnstar of Good Humor
For reminding me that there's always some good people here. -- danntm T C 17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

It was good to meet you, and thanks.-- danntm T C 17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Knitters

Thanks for the star! I have been around long enough to remember playing X's first releases on college radio in 1980. NawlinWiki 16:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For dedication to improving and expanding Wikipedia. Thank you for your many hours of dedication to this knowledge database. Good job! Sharkface217 02:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Administrative

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 6 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Francis de Sales Roman Catholic Church (Philadelphia), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Peta 06:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 9 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Scouts' Day, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Peta 23:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CommonsHelper

Hi, I've added a function that displays a few lines concerning user categories, with edit link etc., if that user category is not yet categorized. I'm not sure I understand the other problem, though. In Firefox, I can most certainly use the back button to return to the commonshelper page once I've uploaded the image. Is that different in your browser, or do I misunderstand the issue? --Magnus Manske 10:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 4 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Washington Memorial Chapel, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 talk 11:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Ray Suarez.jpg

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[edit] Minor edits

Please remember to mark your edits as minor when (and only when) they genuinely are minor edits (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one (and vice versa) is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'. Thanks! -Will Beback 04:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly - every edit has been labelled as minor, including those that are not minor. Your reply to me wasn't minor, this addition of a paragraph wasn't minor [1], the same here [2], etc. It's great that you are making significant contributions, but they shouldn't be labelled as insignificant. -Will Beback 04:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
PS: You probably have the "Mark all edits minor by default" setting in your preferences. Cheers, -Will Beback 04:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA nomination

Hi Evrik. Thanks for your contributions to the RfA's, but voting neutral on every candidate with the text "don't know this user" is not considered appropriate form. The point of the RfA is that you are supposed to do research on the person if you don't know them - otherwise, it would be best not to vote at all. Tt may be seen as disruption of the process. Thanks. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 22:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Who do you actually know? Kreca 01:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I left another comment below (not noticing this one). --Majorly (Talk) 17:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you please explain again why, after having read the nomination, voting neutral is seen as disruptive. After having read all of these nominations, I walk away cold. I am more likely to support someone I have seen in action, and there are many admins I've encountered that realy don't ... act like admins. I would be interested in knowing where that position is documented. Is that a policy or an opinion? Seems to me like too many Admins get nominated and elected without people having read the nom's. --evrik (talk) 00:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Getting back: it's not really a policy, like I said, but it's not really helpful. If you've read the nomination, and have looked at other responses and have come away cold for a reason, by all means state that. There's also no problem voting neutral. It's stating "never known this user" that makes it look like you didn't bother to read the nomination or to do the research. I hope this clears things up, and sorry to take so long responding. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 02:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks
Thank you for the !vote

I'd like to express my thanks to you, Evrik, for your !vote in my recent RfA, which closed with 100% support at 71/0/1 (as in 100% being no opposes). Needless to say, I am very suprised at the huge levels of support I've seen on my RfA, and at the fact that I only had give three answers, unlike many other nominees who have had many, many more questions! I'll be careful with my use of the tools, and invite you to tell me off if I do something wrong! Thanks, Martinp23 15:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent RfA comments

Hello, I've noticed the comments you left at RfAs yesterday, [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] all saying Neutral - Don't know this user. Can I let you know that these comments aren't really constructive, and in any case won't count to the overall result. If you don't know the user, a little research wouldn't hurt to make a useful comment, or even better, if you don't know them, don't comment at all. Thanks. --Majorly (Talk) 17:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your opinion!

A week ago I nominated myself, hoping to be able to help Wikipedia as an administrator as much as a WikiGnome. I am very glad many others shared my thoughts. I hope someday we can cross paths while editing articles, so that you get to know me better and understand that, before anything, I am neutral, civil, and a good fellow. Just in case, be sure I will use these tools to protect and prevent and not to harass or punish. Should you feel I am overreacting, pat me so that I can correct myself. Thanks again! ReyBrujo 21:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions [11] made on November 20, 2006 to Mission Nuestra Señora Reina de los Angeles

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.
The duration of the block is 24 hours. William M. Connolley 23:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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Request reason: "unjustified"

Decline reason: "It's only 24 hours - you'll live. Khoikhoi 20:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)"

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3rr on Mission Nuestra Señora Reina de los Angeles

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3rr on Mission Nuestra Señora Reina de los Angeles

Your IP address is 199.200.252.17.

The edit that you cited as my fourth was the last one where I said that I had issued the 3RR warnings, and then that one was reverted. These two editors were going after me over three different pages.

I was under the impression that if a couple of users were tag teaming another that this counted as an edit war. This is why I went ahead and reported it as a 3RR. I also thought that incivility (like this) and insults (like this) were not tolerated and that making wholesale changes to an article see here and here after a formal request like a request to make a name change to a page, and also fell under the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard.

Last week, I put that article in question up for renaming. I have posted my reasons and today, each time the article was changed by the two other editors in question. I referred to the discussion page, referred to the requested page move and asked them to stop it.

--evrik (talk) 23:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

If people are edit warring, then its an edit war. But you can only report people for 3RR if they revert 4 times (barring exceptional circumstances and this isn't). I'm really not sure why you thought *you* were entitled to revert 4 times. 2 different people are "entitled" to 6 reverts though this isn't encouraged. Incivility is not permitted; but the links you cite are not serious enough, in my judgement. If you think you are being stalked on other pages, then you need to report that at ANI William M. Connolley 08:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I made a fourth change to the article, but you didn’t have to block me. I don’t appreciate being blocked, and not the other two users, and then you stopped editing on wikipedia for seven hours. The decision to block is discretionary and I believe that your decision was in error. To quote the policy, ... the fact that users may be blocked for excessive reverting does not necessarily mean that they will be blocked. Equally, reverting fewer than four times may result in a block depending on context.”

I wouldn't use the word entitled, but I was the editor who was trying to work through the issue by going through the process. Wikipedia is big on process, and I followed the guidelines for trying to change the name of the article. The other two editors are the two who have stopped trying to work through consensus and have started an edit war. This is now a complex case because the two editors in question have gone and created a second page unilaterally and are trying to shout down anyone that doesn’t agree with them. Additionally, while I’m not claiming to be stalked, this has now spilled over on to four pages.

The fact that the page in question was under discussion, and that there was no consensus on what to do is a big issue. In each of the cases that I made a change I kept referring to the talk page and asking the other parties involved to stop changing the pages unilaterally. The fact that the other two were trying to force their desire on the page by reverting my edits should be taken into account, as should the fact that was the one working through the process. --evrik (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

then you stopped editing on wikipedia for seven hours. Yes. Occaisionally I sleep. Its a weakness of mine. I don’t appreciate being blocked - few people do. I didn't have to block you - no, but almost everyone doing 4R will get blocked. Why was this so urgent that you had to keep reverting? Please bear in mind that the admins that watch 3RR dont have time to judge good guys and bad, except by how they follow the rule. Make it easy for us - stick to 3R William M. Connolley 19:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • It's not that it was urgent, its that the other two were mucking things up, and aggressively not working cooperatively. I find this whole thing ironic - especially since I was trying to hightlight the bad behavior of the other editors when I posted the notice. "Reverting to previous version 3RR warnings issued and notice placed on admin board)" That post got me blocked. At least you could have been consistent and blocked User:Lordkinbote after his fourth edit. If you're saying you're too busy to take the time to the the job right, then perhaps you should reconsider being an admin. --evrik (talk) 20:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
When I blocked you, you were the only one to have broekn 3RR. If thats changed subsequently, please report it William M. Connolley 23:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstars & Awards

[edit] Working Man's/Worker's Barnstar

I've reverted the change to the template pending consensus from the community. So far, you're the only person to have objected to it, and your objection was simply that you "kinda like the old name." Even though people haven't weighed in on it, I know a number of editors have seen the change (the edit surfaced in my RFA), and no one has presented any objections. I made my decision based on a number of comments I'd seen scattered throughout the community. I can ask for input from other editors, if you'd like--perhaps the Esperanza Barnstar Brigade would like to weigh in? Do you know of any other groups that should be alerted to this discussion? -- Merope Talk 13:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I'll answer on your page. --evrik 13:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Wow, um, why do you assume that I'm going to engage in an edit war over this? I reverted your changes because you didn't discuss them first--you posted your comment about reversion after the fact. I would have appreciated a discussion beforehand. Do you want to try mediation? -- Merope Talk 13:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Addendum: I've added this comment to the Barnstar Brigade page. I won't be reverting the changes until consensus is reached. I apologize for reverting before, but you didn't discuss the changes first and I falsely assumed that you were doing it because you objected. I see now that you have concerns about the violation of process. I hope that we can resolve this amicably. -- Merope Talk 13:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I really do appreciate that (and the changing of the header on my talk page). We edit conflicted on the Award proposal change--I'm all for scrapping the proposal and starting again, focusing on differentiating between Working Man and Diligence (with the suggestion of changing the name of "Working Man" should we keep them separate). I can also remove the comment on the Esperanza board, but I truly do think that there are some users there who would be really interested in joining the Award Proposal team. (It is a new group, yes?) If you want to chuck out everything so far and start again, I would be more than happy to do that. It'd help put the disagreement behind us. -- Merope Talk 15:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

On second thought (I seem to be doing that a lot today), I will go ahead and remove the Esperanza notice. (I seriously doubt anyone has seen it yet--it doesn't get much traffic.) I do think that the Award Project could use more members, but this is probably not the way to go about it. -- Merope Talk 15:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Barnstar

There is a discussion whether the WP:BARN link should still exist on the Barnstar page on Talk:Barnstar#Barnstars_on_Wikipedia and User talk:Ral315#Esperanza. The WP:BARN link violates WP:ASR.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 03:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the Barnstar Silly :P

All I did was type a short comment for gosh sakes :P?! Thanks anyway.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 02:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Awards News

There are several issues that the WikiProject needs to address.

  1. Do we need a coordinator (or more than one) to coordinate our efforts and act as an arbiter? Please place your thoughts here.
  2. Could someone work on archiving the talk page Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Awards?
  3. Do we need to develop better guidelines for the Wikipedia:WikiProject awards?
  4. Finally, could you please weigh in on the following discussions so we can move them to conclusion:
    1. LGBT Barnstar
    2. Islamic Award
    3. Working Man’s Barnstar.

Sincerely, --evrik (talk) 02:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

  1. I nominated myself (kinda)
  2. Done
  3. I believe common sense works best for this since barnstarts are meant to be unofficial.
  4. Sure.
    1. Commented there.
    2. Commented there.
    3. Commented there long before your talk page post. :P
Sincerity!
--Cat out 11:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The LGBT Barnstar

Evrik, this whole thing is getting very messy now, so I wanted to drop by a message here. I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your work as an editor, and also that you're trying to do your best for Wikipedia. I apologise if I have come over as being excessively aggressive and/or taking things personally(I am not). I have been frustrated as what I saw as your attempts to claim consensus where I failed to see any - as two more editors now share your views I think that a full discussion about the merits and demerits of a barnstar or award is appropriate, and I welcome that. I hope we can discuss this both fully and calmly. Finally, I would like to thank you for your work on Barnstar proposals and hope that this whole thing works out OK, be it with a LGBT Barnstar or a WikiProject LGBT Studies award. Yours, Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic barnstar inquiry

I think it is too specific, wouldn't a more general "religion" award be better? --Cat out 08:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] California

[edit] L.A. article name change vote

Since you recently voted on the Philadelphia article name change, I thought you might be interested in participating on the vote to make a similar name change for Los Angeles. See Talk:Los Angeles, California. Also, if you put my user page on your watchlist, you'll see notifications of other similar votes. --Serge 18:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BayTSP article

Just wondering what you think needs wikifying in the BayTSP article? The main part of this article is a sample letter and I don´t think it´s appropriate to add wikilinks to that part. Rich257 22:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ariba

Why did you remove my companies' link from the Ariba page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.71.96.151 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 19 October 2006.

  • I didn't. --evrik 00:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metsbot

Could metsbot cruise through Category:California adding {{WikiProject California}} to the talk pages? Please let me know. --evrik 18:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure, no problem! You can watch User:MetsBot/Requests and I'll post there when it's done. I will not be doing Category:People from California, Category:Nonprofit organizations in California, or Category:Companies based in California, as those categories are extremely large and the people/companies/organizations usually have little connection to California besides the fact that they are born/based there. —Mets501 (talk) 03:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at User:MetsBot/Requests#WikiProject California. Thanks! - Lawrence King 05:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Made my comments. --evrik 18:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] California cats

Sorry about this, I reverted all of my category changes back to yours for the time being. I forgot about WP:SUBCAT#Incomplete sets of subcategories. I also figure that the templates that the SoCal wikiproject should also be in seperate categories. So I might reorganize everything like the Category:Bridges example on WP:SUBCAT. Best. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:04, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rueben Martinez

his article wouldnt exist unless he were notable. on the other hand, in terms of importance ranking within southern california, that's a much higher bar. most articles within the california domain are ranked low or mid; only a handful of articles have a higher ranking, eg the governor Anlace 19:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Junípero Serra importance

Hi Evrik. I increased the importance of Junípero Serra from "Low" to "Mid" relative to {{WikiProject California}}. Given the criteria at Wikipedia:WikiProject California/Assessment, he could possibly even be "High". Serra is one of the few notable individuals associated with the California Mission history unit taught to all California public school students in the fourth grade. Mike Dillon 16:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Okay by me. --evrik (talk) 16:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Southern California templates

Hi there. Could you point me to the discussion about Category:Southern California templates that you mentioned in your edit summary on Template:CA-FedRep? This is not a Southern California template, it is a general California template. Mike Dillon 22:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Both {{WikiProject California}} and {{WikiProject Southern California}} are already on Template talk:CA-FedRep. Do we really need the template itself in an inaccurate category? Mike Dillon 22:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I added the category back to {{California State University}}, the other template I removed it from, despite my disagreement. Mainly, I was just trying to fix the fact that the template were all sorted under "T" and came across a few members that did not seem right to me. I'll leave the membership issues to someone else if it isn't obvious that only SoCal-specific templates belong there. Mike Dillon 23:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mission Nuestra Señora Reina de los Angeles reversion

In following the discussions I believe it is YOU who is misinformed; as for consensus, I see none, most of the postings are generated by YOU repeating "it was not a mission" ad infinitum. Lordkinbote is by far responsible for the majority of the work that has gone into the mission articles, and I trust his judgement here. Mdhennessey 20:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Clearly, you are not reading the commentary or the articles as the fact that there were 21 "missions" is not disputed, though there were other related structures. The article itself explains that "mission status" was never attained. What about Mission San Antonio de Pala? Mdhennessey 20:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I just don't think you "get" it. Mdhennessey 20:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Asistencia = mission--seems pretty straightforward to me. Based on your arguments, the "mission" and the "iglesia" are two different things = two articles--seems pretty straightforward to me. Mdhennessey 20:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
"Missions and assistencias were substantively different things"--based on what? It's this type of specious reasoning that's causing the confusion here. Mdhennessey 20:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Specious? Hardly. Show me some cites that say asitencias were considered mission? Please elucidate me. --evrik (talk) 20:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, specious. Take a look at Spanish missions article for one. This web site [12] not only defines the term, but clearly states that Mission los Angeles was an asistencia. Mdhennessey 20:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
And again, an asistencia served the same function as a mission. Mdhennessey 21:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
We can keep going around in circles on this, but as I said before, you lack sufficient understanding of the subject matter--you read what you want to so long as it supports your position. I suggest we leave the articles where they are at right now and let some others have a say in the matter. By the way why did you link to "mission" and not "iglesia" in La Placita if you are sure of your position? Mdhennessey 21:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Warring

Would you two please stop your edit warring. --evrik (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Please include yourself in the above request.--Lord Kinbote 22:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish missions in California

This change to the article Spanish missions in California is another example of the changes I see should be made. --evrik (talk) 22:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

When you become an authority on the subject and can CITE your edits, then changes to pages "[you] see should be made" might mean something. BTW, the edits you made were obviously uninformed, which I will correct.--Lord Kinbote 23:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I have (in several places) cited my sources. Something you have failed to do. --evrik (talk) 01:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza

[edit] November Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] Images

[edit] Image release

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[edit] Image source

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[edit] Latino

[edit] Elvira Arellano

Do you agree that make a strong case for notability? Did you mention your move on the Afd debate page, so people don't look at the article and conclude I was blowing smoke about adding references? Is there a rule against having references in an article without inline cites? Thanks. Edison 20:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I have access to several thousand publications on Proquest. I can find the text or abstracts of the articles, but I'm not sure how many others can. I'm certainly not going to waste time doing a lot more editing on the article while it is up for deletion. Before I started looking up and annotating refrences, it only had one, and that would not be enough for me to vote keep. I wanted to show a variety of mainstream articles about her to at least save the article from the deletion process. Afd often moves people to do their homework. Edison 20:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree with what you say. I have to question the motivation of the user who nominated the article for deletion ... --evrik (talk) 20:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
He did it because I asked him to take a look at it and he thought, as I did at the time, that it was simply more of the same excess attention given to the current hot topic of "illegals". He is on the Trivia Cleanup WikiProject team and I initailly asked him to look at it from a trivia perspective. The reason I asked him to look at the Elvira Article was because it was so poorly written, and because of the initial negative overtones of the first drafts. Additionally, I believed that the site was being linked to in the illegal immigration article to promote a misogynistic and racist agenda. I am new to WikiPedia and I didn't realize what a stir all this would cause. But it has turned out well por la causa, and I am receiving a fast education. By the way, thanks for the Barnstar Evrik, that was really a big suprise.  :) − Chicaneo 21:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • You're welcome. --evrik (talk) 21:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VIII - October 2006

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[edit] Re: Naming the American Civil War

Thanks for stopping by to clean up a citation. If you are so inclined, this article could use an outside editor. We keep skating on the edge of an edit war, and interested editors are shying away. As you've been designated "cool as a cucumber," I figure you're well qualified to maybe soothe the troubled waters. -- Rob C (Alarob) 22:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Fair enough! I used to be one of "those WBTS people," so it's easier to be patient. I've only run into a few in my lifetime who clearly would like to see slavery re-established, and they're a joke. I'm assuming these guys don't fit that description. Anyway, ya catch more flies with honey than vinegar. -- Rob C (Alarob) 23:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pennsylvania

[edit] Kings Gap State Park and request

No problemo - Dincher and I have both decided the longer name is better (as it is the official name). Please weigh in if you have an opinion.

I have a long term favor to ask - you had once said maybe we could collaborate on something (here). I have also seen at least one of your photos on WP:PPR. So if you get the chance and are in the area, do you think you could get a photo of Little Tinicum island in Delaware County? I would like to have a photo for each PA State Forest article and it is part of Valley Forge State Forest. I realize fall and winter are lousy times for pictures of a forest, so spring or summer are fine. Please don't make a special trip, but since you seem to be in that general area (and much closer than I) I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. So if you are ever there with a camera, and feel like taking a picture of the island I would appreciate it very much. Thanks, Ruhrfisch 22:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philadelphia

[edit] St. Francis de Sales Roman Catholic Church (Philadelphia)

You may want to make some edits to the article, based on this discussion. Happy edits, Ghirla -трёп- 16:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Liberty Bell

Hello Evrik!

I'm not sure how we can compromise here, but I'm open to suggestions. The Liberty is not "world recognised" as a symbol of liberty and all the rest of it. It's totally unknown in the UK and Europe. I get that the Liberty Medal is given to people from other countries, but it's still an American award. I haven't seen any European, Asian, or African groups using the bell as their symbol.

Now, I've lived in the UK and the US, and while examples of the liberty bell symbolism are common enough in the US, I can't see that it has travelled abroad in the same way as, say, the Statue of Liberty. I can't explain why that is. But as I said on the talk page for the Liberty Bell, perhaps the best example would be Marianne, the symbol of the French republic. How many Americans would recognise her? If I said she was "known the world over as a symbol of liberty" would you think that silly or accurate? That's my point with the form of words on the Liberty Bell article at the moment: while accurate enough from an American perspective, it's nonsense from a global perspective to say that the Liberty Bell is world recognised symbol of anything.

Hope this makes sense! Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 19:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi! On my talk page You asked: "Why don't we put the two versions of the sentences up for a poll somewhere?" -- Answer: Because Americans would all say it's well known, and they likely outnumber the Europeans, Asians, etc., who are likely to answer this poll. It's a nationalism thing: symbols of our own cultures seem so obvious and universal, that we can't imagine others wouldn't have heard of them. I can't think of a quick fix, except to stick with what is unambigous (that the Liberty Bell is famous within the US) and perhaps allude to its use abroad (as with the Medal) without explicity stating anything about how famous (or not) it is outside of the US. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 20:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Selected Philadelphia articles

I'm sorry for changing most of what you selected for the November Philadelphia Portal. The problem was the articles you chose were short, Mural Arts was a stub. We should try feature the best articles before resorting to medium or low quality articles. Medvedenko 19:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Washington Memorial Chapel

Nice job on Washington Memorial Chapel. Do you happen to know how they resolved the crossing of the multi use trail across the road from the Chapel with the Chapel's walk way to the "Washington Monument, Jr."? I can see the trail is seemless now, but did the NPS come to some agreement with the church, or buy the walkway and monument, or something?

I've been doing some work on Valley Forge National Historical Park#Modern park since you left it. --J Clear 02:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

We need to leave something in the VFNHP article mentioning the Chapel is technically not part of the park, even if it is morally and functionally. The carillon, too probably. I guess I'm saying you should have copied and pasted, not cut and pasted over to the Chapel article. --J Clear 03:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC) (PS you can reply here, I always watch for a while.)
See Talk:Valley Forge National Historical Park, seems more appropriate. --J Clear 03:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Washington Memorial Chapel,second take

I just noticed you seem to have created this article with an integrated {{citation needed}}, which is a pretty big no-no, even though the content was originally copied from another article. I've commented out the troublesome content for the time being. Circeus 17:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hey Evrik, thanks for taking the time to keep me (and others) updated on Wikipedia:Meetup/Philadelphia 2. Sorry I couldn't make it, maybe next time! Regards, Accurizer 12:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mercy Vocational and Historical Society of Frankford

Hey, thanks for the contribs and adding my entries to the Philadelphia project, I feel included now!!!! I hope to contribute more every week!!!!! IanBlade 13:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? was updated. On 12 November 2006, a fact from the article McGillin's Olde Ale House, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--LordAmeth 20:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mural Arts Program

I was considering merging this article into the new one I created Philadelphia Anti-Graffiti Network, just wanted feedback from someone who worked on the page. I seen you added the pictures and may have some interest. If you are against, would you mind adding some of the MAP content I found into the MAP article? Thanks. --NuclearZer0 01:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting

[edit] Scouting 2007 Centenary

Perhaps we can start with a section of what each individual nation is doing outside of the big stuff in the UK, and then see how it goes from there? Horus Kol 15:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scout Day

Sure - I'm just putting something together in my sandbox Horus Kol 16:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

proposal for "Scouts Day" article - Horus Kol 16:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why it doesn't Google - it seems to be a general term which has a different name/event tied to it in the various national Scouting organisations... Horus Kol 07:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming of scouting articles

Pls see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scouting#Proposed_changes_to_non-English_WOSM_member_article_titles before renaming any more articles. --jergen 09:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I see it and have responded. --evrik 09:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Valley Forge Pilgramage

For your ref #3 on this article, is it possible to find more than "Springfield (Pa.) Press", such as date, article name, author, article title, etc? Rlevse 15:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it's better, but I didn't find anything on the Pilgramage on that page. Not trying to bug you, just make the article a tad better. I find it an interesting one. Rlevse 16:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't have it with me right now ... --evrik 16:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albanian language

It is really hard to translate "Beslidhja". It literally means "faith-binding" and I think would best translated as "allegiance pledge". Therefore, you could use the 'Albanian Scout Association' as the main name for the article, but keep the original one also (redirect page maybe)… Feel free to ask for help, as this time I didn’t really understand what I was supposed to do.--Albanian since Stone Age 19:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eagle Scout

Hopefully the reef knot is now fully fixed with the proper square knot. Since it is a featured article, editing moves quickly. But I think we've gotten it fixed properly! --Porqin 18:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Oh, and sorry I had to roll back across your edits of fixing reef -> square, but there was much other vandalism that wasn't fixed in the meantime (ie. Aliens...). It is easier to go back to the latest known good copy and work from there, instead of removing one mistake at time as we see them. Thanks! --Porqin 18:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eagle scout

Thanks for welcoming me, Evrik - it was kind of you and much appreciated. Monique34 17:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scout spirit

Hi Evrik, I moved the paragraph about the statue at Gilwell Park back to the end of the article because it says something about "this unknown Scout", and doesn't make any sense until after the story has been told. I see you've moved it to the start again. I'm not going to move it back because that will seem too much like a revert war, which wouldn't be in the right Scout spirit :) Your call, Rgds, Zaian 06:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] BSA

whoa! wild talk page ya got here. Cool. Anyway, go ahead and summarize your belief for why the current version violates NPOV, and afterwards, I'll post it on the RFC page.  :). I'm don't mean to rush into the RFC process, but it would be goood to get some eyeballs on this, so we can decided whether the NPOV tag should be up. Jagz and I are too close to the article to take the tag down ourselves, even though we might disagree with it. If I have any Wikipedia pet peeve, it's when you put the NPOV tag up, and the very people who are involved in the content dispute with you take the tag down. lol. not gonna catch me doing it unless it's blatantly obvious it should be brought down. lol. :)

Anyway, even though I disagree with you, thanks for going through the debate with us. You might be wrong on this one, you might be right, but the process IS helpful for the article. When I refer these things to outside editors, it not at all rare for me to realize i'm wrong by the things they say. :) And whether I'm right or wrong in my initial opinion, the articles always benefit.

--Alecmconroy 22:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks ... --evrik (talk) 23:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Evrik, I'm not trying to be at all mean or bad-faithy in mentioning 3RR. The bad-faith thing to do would be to go and report you and get you insta-blocked for 24 hours. But I don't see any call for that at all. You're clearly not a problem editor, you have a long and distinguished edit history, and quite a fancy talk page! :). I'm just saying-- if I didn't point out the 3rr, you and jagz would keep editing it back and forth forever until one or both of you gets a block, and that wouldn't do anyone any good, because I need you both around to be able to conduct the RFC and explain your POV to the commenters. I would have said the same thing to Jagz exactly if your and his positions were revers-- in this case,3 is the hard limit, and you crossed it first, so you get the warning. Personally, I'd probably just let ya'll edit war back and forth till the cows came home rather than go through the whole block mess, but some people take edit wars more seriously than I do, so, I felt a friendly warning was in order.  :)
--Alecmconroy 23:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
      • If I sound irritated about this it’s because I didn't even think about accusing either of you of 3RR because I thought we were working through the issue, in good faith. I find it especially galling because I was willing to compromise with the removal of one word, and the way I count it, over the last 24 hours Jagz crossed the four edit line first, and had there not been two of you tag teaming me I would not have made as many edits. --evrik (talk) 23:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The thing is, Evrik, it's really not a competition, ya know? it's two people, you and me, trying to work on a math problem together. I don't want to compromise-- but not because i'm trying to be obstinate. You got the answer to the math problem as "2" and I got the answer to the math problem as "4". I don't want to split the difference and just go with "3"-- I want to raise my hand, call the teacher over, and see where we are. :). Just to show you I don't have any hard feelings, I personally promise I won't file any kind of 3RR complaint against you today-- forget I said anything about it. But I happen to know that Jagz and others don't feel that way, so, my suggestion is that you discontinue the edit war, but it's just a friendly suggestion. I'm not gonna get involved in editing that part of the intro until the RFC has resulted in a few more eyeballs. --Alecmconroy 00:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints

[edit] Teresa of Los Andes

"Los Andes" is a city located about 90 kilometers from Santiago, Chile. See: [13] Jespinos 19:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints

Hi Evrik. Thanks for the invite to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints. Do I just add my name to the list? Walgamanus 14:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I have replied to your complaint on my talk page. If the consistency you seek is desirable, then I believe that the community will eventually endorse it. There is currently no such consensus. Best wishes, RobertG ♬ talk 09:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints Infobox

Why did you remove the infobox from Joseph Cafasso? --Attilios 14:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Interwiki bot request

Ok. I'll do it, probably, tomorrow. --.anaconda 18:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello; I tried it, but actually seems to be some problems using the -cat (for categories) of Pywikipedia's interwiki.py script. I'll retry the next week to see if the problem is fixed; sorry. --.anaconda 17:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Cafasso

Well if you really, really like that picture so be it. Personally I think it’s sufficiently awful as an image to turn readers off the man, which would be a shame. But nobody else seems to care. (There’s no need for me to take up the copyright question in Commons as it was from the image page there that I discovered the problem.)

I have searched for other images, but the only one that seems more appropriate is this one: http://santiebeati.it/immagini/?mode=view&album=59000&pic=59000E.JPG&dispsize=Original&start=0. Obviously not pictorially brilliant, albeit attractively cartoonish, but it does show Joseph at work in a way that tells us a bit more about him than just that he was a priest. However I am not going to upload it because again it is unsourced as to dates, artist, etc., and would be quite probably a copyvio. Regards, Ian Spackman 21:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your contributions to the topic of Pelagius of Cordova

What is possessing you to remove the category "Pederasty" from an article about pederastic rape? Haiduc 00:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I answered on the discussion page. --evrik 00:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prayers

We are gain on the point. Prayers are meaningless here. Apart their clear propaganda and POV value, they don't have nothing of encyclopedical. If you add them, you should add poems and citations of books from literates, videos of filmmakers, etc.--Attilios 11:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Moving the saint

That's a fine argument to make at WP:RM. Solicit a consensus, and if people agree, then an administrator can do it. But this is certainly not a case of G6. Place a {{moveto|Charles Borromeo}} on the saint's talkpage, make an entry on RM, and argue your case in both places. After a while, a consensus will form and an administrator will make a decision. Cheers. - crz crztalk 15:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

And I think you should withdraw that AfD nomination, which borders on WP:POINT. - crz crztalk 15:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree, the unilateral move sucked, but now that's it's done, we shouldn't do another unilateral move to undo it. I renew the call to withdraw the AfD so we could move on with a WP:RM discussion. - crz crztalk 15:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind all that, there were a hundred incoming links for the saint... I moved it of course. He is overwhelmingly more notable. But why not Carlo Borromeo or St. Charles Borromeo? - crz crztalk 15:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh and could you help with all the redirects? - crz crztalk 15:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'll work on some of the redirects. It is standard to use the english translation of a saint's name. --evrik (talk) 15:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misc

[edit] Small favor needed

Hey Evrik, I was wondering if you could vote for my US Australia relations article here so that it may be expanded by those who know much about the subject.

Thanks man! Sharkface217 04:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian collaboration of the fortnight

Hi. You voted for United States-Australia relations for WP:ACOTF. It has been selected, so please improve the article in any way you can. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 13:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Bot request

Either there are no double redirects (someone may have fixed it already) or me and my bot can't find them. I know I'm on break, but I came here to look at the encyclopedia and saw the "new messages" banner ;) fetofs Hello! 11:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

  • looks like someone else took care of it. Thanks! --evrik 18:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mapit and Geolinks

On my talk page, you asked:

Why the changes?

Just doing some cleanup. The Mapit-* templates were deprecated some time ago (see Template talk:Mapit-US-streetscale). In fact, the Mapit-US-hoodscale template that I was replacing does nothing but redirect to Geolinks-US-hoodscale. So by using the Geolinks-* templates directly, we make the referencing pages load more efficiently by saving the extra database accesses. --JFreeman (talk) 15:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks! --evrik 15:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)



[edit] blocking the ability to edit pages

I edited a page about Boca Raton only recently. I think that wikipedia was incorrect in the land area of the city. However, wikipedia maintained it and blocked my access from editing pages. I would suggest that this website look into other possible answers before blocking this IP address. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.80.225.73 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 15 November 2006.

  • Why are you telling me this? --evrik (talk) 21:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Re: Migdia Chinea Varela

I just wanted to let you know that I listed this article under AfD, since the author contested the prod (prod that was not put by me). Regards, -- lucasbfr talk 14:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I saw that coming ... I just don't think she gets it. --evrik (talk) 15:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

i get it. Mig 19:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Migdia, please stop deleting other people's words. It is impolite. -- Rob C (Alarob) 20:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Warring

Would you two please stop your edit warring. --evrik (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't like getting tage teamed. Do you think I want to waste time fighting over this? --evrik (talk)
Multiple editors taking up views in opposition to yours is not "tag teaming." You are the one perpetuating this issue at this point.--Lord Kinbote 19:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Loser. South Philly 19:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the notes

Still gone for a while. Thanks for the notes. Looks like your not around today ... South Philly 19:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

  • thanks, I think ... --evrik (talk) 21:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

I invoked your name here concerning Migdia Chinea Varela. In case you wish to comment. -- Rob C (Alarob) 20:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

  • She just came and deleted all her comments off my talk page. If she wasn't so clueless about protocol, I would get offended. --evrik (talk) 21:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I am slightly clueless about protocol. Which fork goes where? Sorry 2 everyone!! Please, don't be offended, since I didn't mean any slight. I am, indeed, a knucklehead. Mig 02:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue IX - November 2006

The November 2006 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

This is an automated delivery by grafikbot 22:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other awards

What other awards would these be. I swear when looking through the barnstar section that this does not appear. If you are referring to the banstar on WP:Spoken, this one is referring to turning articles into audio guides as well as appearing on screen. That is not quite related to discussion. Simply south 16:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] St. Pelagius

Hi Evrik, there is a comment on the talk page that should be answered and acted upon. Before I do so I wanted to give you a chance to have your say. Regards, Haiduc 01:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SFD notification

This message is to notify you that a stub template and category that you created ({{{{Chicano-stub}} and Cat:Mexican-American stubs) is up for deletion at WP:SFD. Please join the discussion. Thanks. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 21:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project mediator offer

Bduke has offered to be the Scouting WikiProject mediator and accept this as his first case on these conditions: 1. All parties must agree to his mediating. 2. All parties must not move any articles until the mediation is completed. 3. If consensus is not reached they must let User:Rlevse as the project coordinator decide whether to implement my final conclusions.

(3) means that Bduke will make a final recommendation if there is no consensus and User:Rlevse can accept it or reject it. Either way, the decision is final and all parties are bound by Scout's honor to follow it.

I am posting this on everyone's (Evrik, Jergen, Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr)) talk page so they will not miss the offer. Failure to respond with a 'accept' or 'not accept' on the Translations talk page will be taken as an 'accept'. This offer will last until 2400 UTC Dec 2, 2006. Keep in mind that we live all over the world and users need time to respond---specifically, Bduke lives in Australia. DO NOT make any moves until at least 24 hours have passed since his last posting on an issue. Rlevse 01:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Chicano Stub

Why is this being proposed for deletion? I'm still a newbie and don't understand. Is it the only way to track Chicano stubs? What exactly are those who are for the stubs deletion proposing as an alternative? Chicaneo 04:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Camp LaNoChe Article

Please help me keep this article from being deleted: Camp_La-No-Che. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonicspike (talk • contribs) 01:55, 2 December 2006.

  • Okay. --evrik (talk) 03:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An edit in the Padre Pio article

Dear Evrik, As you recollect, I contributed a bit to the article on Padre Pio, and it has been on my watchlist. A few days back, a user from the IP address 80.40.65.59 made this edit. Reading the sources, it seemed to me that the person had added his/her own slant to the information. I tried to make it more neutral by changing the tone so that it supplied only the dry facts, as you can see here. Today, an user from the IP address 82.40.64.23 has made this edit. I wonder if it is the same person. Being a practising Catholic, I fear I am not able to judge this objectively. Thus I turn to you as a third party. Do you think that these edits from this person are trying to put forward an opinion (i.e., Padre Pio indulged in willful pragarism) or are these edits acceptable? Yours, Savio mit electronics 13:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC) _________________________________________________________________________________________

Dear Evrik: Where's the Chicano Page? I can't find it -- some posters might be interested in this:

New York Times - MOST HELPFUL READER REVIEW

A blood bath, December 3, 2006

Reviewer: migdia

"Apocalypto" left me with no words, no tears and no prayers. This is one gory movie, seeming to keep its iron heart close to its bloody purpose -- namely to expose the more sanguinary aspects of Maya civilization, rather than tell any semblance of a human story. Deliberately concentrating on explicit carnage in its portrayal of blood and guts, the film displays an overt disinterest in the vulnerability of the mortal soul and dispenses with a compelling approach to history. This film--it seems to me--is Gibson's explanation for his recent anti-Semitic comments in that he simply doesn't give a hoot about anyone who isn't Mel Gibson. This lack of compassion from a man who has managed to amass--despite his apparent ethnocentrism--billions of dollars in a predominantly Jewish business. Rationalizing the Spanish conquista of the Maya as an alternative lifestyle, "Apocalypto" is also not a movie for a Hispanic audience either. Way to go, Mel. You obviously already have an empty space where your heart ought to be. Say, is that blood trickling from your lips? Migdia Chinea Mig 17:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diff?

What's the difference in these:

  • Category:Scouting articles needing attention
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Article watchlist

Rlevse 15:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You've changed it, I think I see where you're headed, OK. I'm working on a navigation box for the project, which I should have up in a few days. Rlevse 15:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reposted Possible Final Version

Hello Evrik, per your request I posted a possible final version of the Wildlife Barnstar (most likely to be named The Fauna Barnstar) here.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 18:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use

You have to be really careful about FU images in FAs. They have to have a rationale, so I added one to the image file. Nice choice of image for the article, though. Rlevse 14:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I added a FU rationale to the other one too. Nice images you chose. Thanks for the support. Rlevse 14:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals#Hinduism_WikiProject_Award

Since you commented on the Hinduism barnstar proposal I recommend you looking at the new designs introduced by User:Priyanath. Thank you. GizzaChat © 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand all the hard work that has gone into the creation of the angels and demons page. However, I don't really appriate that the complete summare and ending are revealed on this page... i just dont like that books of pleasure are being spoiled on here can we make an effort to cut down the summary and also to leave out the ending of the book. I am hoping that my voice is heard. I just feel that it just gives it all away.

[edit] Discussion Award closing near

Thank you for your paticipation and the additional comments. I have posted on the proposals page a closing subsection with a couple of minor issues. I would apreciate comment. The issues are title and image. See the Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/New Proposals#Closing discussion. Simply south 22:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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