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Moved from Talk:Audio mastering. Article talk pages are not the correct place to make accusations about sockpuppetry, and Evinatea's comments were severely disrupting the talk page. The correct place is Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets. — Omegatron 23:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Spam alert - user Evinatea aka Edward Vinatea

Evinatea is an guy who runs an obscure mastering studio called "Music Mastering O..." with no track record and no major credits on his account. He has been previously spamming this page with links to promote his own website. Other users raised this alert previously, but this time I suggest to ban him from this page. He has a single purpose account designed to manipulate Audio Mastering article. His input is self-serving. Since nobody wants to give him any recognition or include his page here, he persistently removes all valid references that could be attributed to other mastering experts in this field that actually have something to contribute. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.214.253.51 (talk) 11:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC).


Hello, Have you been reading all the conversations? I am a new member. And, I am a reputable mastering engineer. You don't know me at all. I have 23 years of engineering experience but, I won't disclose to you my clientele. Sorry! I am not dignifying your accusations.

However, thank you very much for your concerns. It's healthy sometimes to be skeptical. But, when it's all said and done my crime fighting friend, the audio mastering page will be relevant, free of spammers and free of pointing to commercial business sites.

So, please give me the benefit of the doubt until I achieve that.

Right now, there is a guy or two using pseudo names, desperately trying to re-insert spam links to the mastering page. That's the issue right now.

Thanks very for your concern. Have a nice day. 12:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


Furthermore, You wrote: "he persistently removes all valid references that could be attributed to other mastering experts in this field that actually have something to contribute"

On the contrary, there is no need to mention mastering guys at all. Since the art of mastering and its techniques have been past from engineer to engineer and for the most part, it has evolved with technology.

otherwise, there would be too many people making claims. Sure, we all have our theories and techniques, including myself. But I won't try to make it a relevant term at Wikipedia. But the definition and conciseness of the page, is what's important here. Not singling out anybody in particular.Evinatea


This unsigned entry is supected to be made by Evinatea who is a suspected sock puppeteer of this IP 71.108.230.46 --Mike Sorensen 14:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I honestly didn't do it!Evinatea 15:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I would never say this statement " "Followed by some no-names way down the list... Ludwig, Grundman, Big Bass, Lazar, Marcussen."

The point is again, there must be no more references to other mastering engineers and sites, known or unknown on the mastering page. Evinatea 15:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I can see this is getting a little out of hand. To all parties involved: Please remember to assume good faith, and avoid violating the three revert rule. And please, maintain civility above all else. Thank you, Fang Aili talk 15:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Evinatea misunderstands my role as administrator somewhat; no one has to come to me for permission to post anything. But a simple google search for "artmastering" reveals that this term is probably not notable according to Wikipedia's guidelines. With 61 unique G-hits for "artmastering", I do not believe this to be a notable concept at the present time. "art mastering" gets 443 unique hits, many of the unrelated to sound engineering. Thank you, Fang Aili talk 15:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


Mike Sorensen, please realize that the person who left that unsigned comment is the person who left this comment yesterday:

"I consider it spam, along the lines of vestman's 'seperations mastering' and venetio's 'maximum something-or-other' process. What am I, spam police? I give up, lol. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.230.46 (talk • contribs). 11:22, 5 March 2007 {UTC}"

That should take care of your suspicion about me. Have a nice day Evinatea 17:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, BTW, this user deleted the "music mastering" too, then said this: Edit:: You've GOT to be kidding me! I've been going through vinatea's contribs and I found he created an article on: Maximum Delivery Potential. Invented, developed, and (presumably) perfected by:Edward Vinatea. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.230.46 (talk) 00:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Edward Vinatea is not a spammer but the audio mastering page is under attack on a daily basis

Sadly, there are individuals with selfish reasons that are extremely unhappy about me for deleting their link references to their web sites. The jig is up. My intention is to improve, revise and make concise the meaning and the definition of "mastering".

I am a qualified engineer and I want this page to be good for all and for good. If there are any references that will be a conflict of interest, I want anyone to bring it up to my attention, so it can be corrected. Evinatea 18:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] "Good hand, bad hand" to fake credibility is an old sock puppet, spam trick Evinatea

Operating a "bad hand" account for the purpose of engaging in editing disputes while at the same time appearing to be neutral by using another account. --Mike Sorensen 20:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


Mike, I am not attacking that mastering guy, so please give it up. Your theory that I created 2 Ip addreses to create confusion does not make sense, here is why.

The users that left bad feedback and accused me of spamming are:

66.214.253.51 (talk) 11:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)Location: Glendora, California 71.108.230.46 (talk) 00:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC) Location: Glendora, California

You forgot: 207.136.232.164 Chris Johnson, Location: Brattleboro Vermont, who also doubts your comments.

Hey, You are desperate man! Give it up, please. You are hopeless man, I feel sorry for you Evinatea 22:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Also here is another unclimed IP 162.83.204.63 that looks lik your sock puppet

That's mine fine. there is no trail of deception like the one you built and try to put on me. Evinatea


[[1]]--Mike Sorensen 21:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


Everyone from California. I am in New York but that's not the point, am I also a moron for calling myself a spammer??? What kind of a strategy would that be?

Meantime, aren't you from California? You have more to explain now that you raised the issue. It's a total non-sense to believe that I am going to shoot myself on the foot, just so I look like I am hurt.

There are 34,000,000 million people in California and many of them in entertainment business if you didn't notice. Probably half of people that edit this article are from California.--Mike Sorensen 06:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You are too desperate to re-instate your article about "artistic mastering" which is a bunch of non-sense and points out to a mastering engineer. Evinatea 20:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline of the fake user account 71.108.230.46 and 66.214.253.51 Appears to be Mike Sorensen

Here is the timeline of the user you argue is me:

  1. 09:09, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Music mastering (→Spam, proposed for deletion)
  2. 09:05, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering
  3. 08:08, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Audio mastering (removed spam for "artmastering")
  4. 05:15, March 5, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (→Restored the section about "artmastering")
  5. 19:37, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Music mastering
  6. 19:28, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (→Spam)
  7. 19:21, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Music mastering (→External links)
  8. 19:19, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering
  9. 10:45, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Music mastering (this article is essentially ALL spam for Evinatea's website)
  10. 05:02, March 3, 2007 (hist) (diff) Music mastering (article is completely useless; user "Evinatea" created the article to spam his website)
  11. 07:59, March 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Audio mastering (more spam, same guy)
  12. 07:54, March 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Audio mastering (→External links - removed spam)
  13. 00:10, March 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Mother Angelica (→Trivia)

You want everyone to believe that I made a page about mastering, then came back as someone else, deleted the page, then accused myself of spam and, then came back as me again to clean up the page , then came back as someone else only to propose the page to be deleted. Ha! Are you crazy?

Meantime, the facts are, that you are consistently related to a mastering engineer in particular, who supposedly everyone finds worth noting. Making defamatory accusations without any proof is real serious matter. Evinatea 21:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


Timeline of fake user 66.214.253.51

  1. 16:04, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (removed lieblous comments and personal attack)
  2. 06:12, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (Spam alert by Evinatea aka Edward Vinatea)

So "Mike" you propose that I then came back YET as someone else again and erased the "spam accusations" of the mastering engineer that you support and who's article you want on the audio mastering page. Why would I do that Mike? Ha? WHY? Unless....WOOW It's You!

You have serious explanations to make to the Community at Wikipedia.

  • Nothing to explain, particularly to a spammer like you. I stand by my edits. Anyone who checks my contribution and your edit history can easily see that you have a single purpose account designed for spamming Audio Mastering page for self promotion.--Mike Sorensen 08:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Another unclaimed IP possibly sock puppet of Evinatea

User 162.83.204.63 Contributions Location: New York, New York --Mike Sorensen 21:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


Hello! That's mine, sure. I forgot to sign up a few times, do you want to look at my history? Nothing pointing at lies!

However you tried to make everyone believe:

  1. That someone called "your mastering friend" featured in his article, a spammer.
  2. That this comment was from me using a socket puppet IP address (71.108.230.46).
  3. That I created the account 71.108.230.46 for that purpose only (Make false accusations).
  4. That "your mastering friend" was being attacked by me with more than one false account (A socket puppeteer).
  5. That making me look like a socket puppeteer will prove that I am here only to spam Wikipedia, therefore, I should be vanished or blocked as per your request to an administrator.

Take a look at the histories:

Timeline of fake user 71.108.230.46 (Supports the theory that it makes no sense why I would call myself a spammer)

  1. 09:09, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Music mastering (→Spam, proposed for deletion)
  2. 09:05, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering
  3. 08:08, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Audio mastering (removed spam for "artmastering")
  4. 05:15, March 5, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (→Restored the section about "artmastering")
  5. 19:37, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Music mastering
  6. 19:28, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (→Spam)
  7. 19:21, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Music mastering (→External links)
  8. 19:19, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering
  9. 10:45, March 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Music mastering (this article is essentially ALL spam for Evinatea's website)
  10. 05:02, March 3, 2007 (hist) (diff) Music mastering (article is completely useless; user "Evinatea" created the article to spam his website)
  11. 07:59, March 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Audio mastering (more spam, same guy)
  12. 07:54, March 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Audio mastering (→External links - removed spam)
  13. 00:10, March 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Mother Angelica (→Trivia)


Meantime, the facts indicate that you are consistently associated and related to your mastering engineer friend who supposedly everyone finds to be relevant and worth noting.

Timeline of fake user 66.214.253.51

  1. 16:04, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (removed lieblous comments and personal attack)
  1. 06:12, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (Spam alert by Evinatea aka Edward Vinatea)

Big mistake, you made when you came in to erase (16:04, March 6, 2007). You should have deleted the "spam" comment as yourself the so called "Mike Sorensen", and not with your socket puppet acount IP address (66.214.253.51) which you said it was also mine.

That way it would have looked like Mike Sorensen was merely removing false statements.

No one is going to believe that the fake user (66.214.253.51) from California was me, because everything actually now points at you being the real socket puppeteer

I bet you are not even "the real" Mike Sorensen. Do you want me to go deeper into this?You have been caught, Yikes! Evinatea 22:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Your time-line is nonsense and if you have a problem with my identity then report it to wikipedia for check-used-ID. You are spamming this page again with posts that do not belong here !--Mike Sorensen 08:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] This smells like yet another spam by Evinatea

Evinatea wrote : "...Mastering (Post-Production) is the art of optimizing sound frequencies in order to meet industry standards.." First of all this looks to me like another spam directly related to his previous spam about "Maximum Blah, Blah, Potential" which talks about optimizing and maximizing frequencies. That nonsense was already deleted so now looks like he is trying yet another angle on the same subject. When it comes to mixing and to mastering there is no such thing as "optimum frequencies" it is all subjective and based on engineers preference. Besides if one could define what the optimum frequencies are, then audio mastering could be automated.

Second, there is no such thing as "industry standard" when it comes to "optimizing frequencies" There are various standards when it comes to mastering but definitely no such thing as "...optimizing frequencies to the industry standard..." . Most people probably know Compact Disc specification, DVD specification etc, those are in fact standards but none of them talk about optimizing sound frequencies. This again smells like a spam designed to make people believe that they should seek some nonsense solution like "Maximum Blah, Blah Potential" supposedly invented by Evinatea .

Third, if you call any expert in this field for example Bob Ludwig or Bernie Grundman, they will be the first to explain that there is no standard when it comes to optimizing audio frequencies, moreover the sound that comes from Ludwig's lab is rather different that the sound that comes from Grundman's lab which alone proves that there is no standard in terms of audio frequencies.--Mike Sorensen 11:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)



I thought you were a musician? You talk like an engineer (Maybe a mastering engineer?).

Stop abusing this page with your silly accusations against me, and grow up. The page has been approved by members of the WikiProject Sound Production. If it sounds like me talking, it's because that's my contribution.

Explain to the administrators that are following these conversations, why you erased the comments against Sayaki with the IP address you claimed I used to call myself a spammer?


You used this sock puppet IP address: 66.214.253.51 with location : California,

And posted the following:

“Evinatea is an guy who runs an obscure mastering studio called "Music Mastering O..." with no track record and no major credits on his account. He has been previously spamming this page with links to promote his own website. Other users raised this alert previously, but this time I suggest to ban him from this page. He has a single purpose account designed to manipulate Audio Mastering article. His input is self-serving. Since nobody wants to give him any recognition or include his page here, he persistently removes all valid references that could be attributed to other mastering experts in this field that actually have something to contribute.”

As soon as this comment was left, the poster wiped out his IP address, to make it look like it was just another anonymous individual.


However, the big mistake that gave Mike Sorensen away was on: 16:04, March 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Audio mastering (removed lieblous comments and personal attack)


That’s when who else but Sorensen himself, came back to erase a negative comment against Sayeki Studio, using the same fake IP address (66.214.253.51 ) instead of using his “real” Mike Sorensen account!!!

Sorensen doesn't even realize the implication of what he wrote on his edit summary: "removed comments and personal attack".

Attached below is a copy of said comments left by an unidentified IP Address (71.108.230.46):

Evinatea, thank you for removing the spam "muzicbiz gman mastering" link! It's been at the bottom of the page for a while, and when I first checked it out it seemed legit, since it included quotes and contact information from some well-respected ME's. It appeared to be an article on mastering in general. After you deleted the link, I checked it out again, and what did I find? - - Art Sayecki (the same guy trying to spam "artmastering") at the top of the page, and quoted about 20 times in the body of the article!!! - - (which, after the initial name-dropping section, give or take a paragraph or two, completely drops the pretense and devolves into a study of Sayecki's Mastering Prowess!!!) - - (Btw, I'm guessing the rest of the quotes, where Emily Lazar, Bob Ludwig, Marcussen, Grundman, Calbi, etc and who knows who else all appear to agree with Sayecki's masterful insights, were all just ripped from random articles, and no actual interviews were conducted, right?) - - (and reposted without permission, I'm assuming) - - Ok, now THAT'S pretty shameless!!!


So, according to you, even though I am in New York, I used that IP address in California (66.214.253.51) and posted a big derogatory comment against myself and then I helped you erase another one that was left for you, right?

Let's have that IP address blocked forever, shall we? And let's have the investigation you requested. Right now!

You would like everyone to believe that I created a sophisticated plot against you, and the audio mastering page, and the Sayaki studio. But, the reality is that you made a huge mistake that gave you away. You are finished. Give it up.

Conveniently, you waited several days, so that maybe things will be forgotten and you go back to the business of reverting your deleted link. It's not happening.

And how much money in savings on Google ads was that link to that page generating for you? I bet a lot of money, right? And how much EXTRA business was that page bringing to Sayeki?

On the next Google scan your page is not going to be number one anymore.

Proof of this assertion:

It was helping this mastering guy (Sorensen and cohorts) to be placed in the #1 position at Google.com with the most important keyword: “Music Mastering” and "Audio Mastering", See for yourselves:

http://www.google.com/search?q=music+mastering

You can see as the #1 result: Mastering Your Music: The Essential Guide With a link to www.musicbizacademy.com/articles/gman_mastering.htm

Yes Folks, That's the link Mike Sorensen (If not the mastering guy himself) is asking to revert deletion!! Don't be suckers, anymore.

Other terms such as “Audio Mastering”, bring up the Wikipedia’s “audio mastering page” as number one as well. Since his link was there, it helped the Art Sayaki article even further.

But his shamefulness is beyond believe, he tried to use "Artmastering" as a new term to be listed in the audio mastering page, complete with a new "external" spamming link. Go ahead investigate all that was stated here.

We know for a fact that he was trying to put that link for the longest time (From 2006) and his repeated association with Art Sayoki mastering studio points at foul play. Administrators, please follow his history.

Friends, we need to get rid of individuals like Mike Sorensen who use Wikipedia to their own advantage and convenience. It doesn't matter if they are not doing it directly, or if this is on behalf of someone else. The point is that we can't allow people to place conveniently, links to their web sites with the excuse of providing content that it's not even a NPOV. Evinatea 12:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Mike Sorensen" and cohorts busted by rookie user Evinatea!

The truth is out. And who was benefiting with the audio mastering page external links that were pointing at a mastering engineer in California?

Mike Sorensen!

I said, I was going to do crime fighting, and those who doubted me can eat their words now. A hoax has been uncovered by me. I move to block Mike Sorensen and all his sock puppet IP adresses:

71.108.230.46, 66.214.253.51

The same for the user name BiggyP that was in favor for the "Artmastering" article and external link, and admitted association with the spammer Sorensen.

Now, "Sorensen" tell us how much is it gong to cost you in advertisement on Google, now that it looks like your article is going to be dropped from the main Google results? (See "music mastering") http://www.google.com/search?q=music+mastering

You can see as the #1 result: Mastering Your Music: The Essential Guide With a link to www.musicbizacademy.com/articles/gman_mastering.htm

Yes Folks, That's the link Mike Sorensen (If not the mastering guy himself) is asking to revert deletion!!

Other terms such as “Audio Mastering”, bring up the Wikipedia’s “audio mastering page” as number one as well. Since his link was there, it helped the Art Sayaki article even further.

No wonder you wanted that link re-instated so bad. However, shame on you for trying to do the same thing twice with "artmastering". Geez! Evinatea 15:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

A few minutes ago "Biggy P" came back to delete key comments from this talk page and all he had to say was that I was personally attacking Sorensen. Pretty much on cue if you asked me, just like last year he was in favor of "artmastering" article on behalf of Sorensen. I also belive that Biggy P is another fake account used by Sorensen. Check out all the coincidences. Evinatea 17:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop personal attacks and stick to the subject .

And the subject is: Your edits, Evinatea, on Optimizing Frequencies are being suspected as self promotion.
And no matter how much you attack me and other people, your comments will be scrutinized here. Your last rant is just another personal attack with no explanation whatsoever in reference to Optimizing Frequencies and serves no purpose in furthering discussion on Audio Mastering. Please read the wikipedia policy on Personal attack If you disagree with me then you are welcome to complain to the administrators.

And I'm also requesting a rational explanation about your edit on Optimizing Frequencies. Please provide sources, and references to recognized publications and then I'm sure everybody here would love to hear them and consider your point of view for inclusion.--Biggy P 19:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


You started attacking personally a while ago! All I've been doing is defending myself from your abuse but you got more than just a defense from me. You were uncovered and that bothers you a lot, doesn't it?
Who cares about "frequency optimization" right now! Talk about diverting the attention. Christ!! How do you self-promote with phrases, anyway? What are you nuts?
The point is that Mike Sorensen (Your other account) is busted. Period. End of the story. You explain first how you got away with it for a whole year!!
Try the link, search Google "music mastering". It looks bad because it is. You are busted, busted. And no moronic questions about "frequencies" is going to divert the attention away from the main issue. You used Wikipedia for a year and tried to abuse it later again with "artmastering" aritcles and external links. Good luck explaining that. Evinatea 19:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


I'm not Bigg P or Mike M. I think Evinatea's edits are non-encyclopedic and desperately need at minimum citations and even then they should be scrutized to remove non-notable stuff and POV language. I don't know whether they self-promote or not but I know they confuse me when I read them and while I am not an expert I run my own personal-projects studio and worked as a sound engineer for live bands before the digital age and I should be able to make sense of them. Please note I am not discussing Evinatea, I am offering an opinion of the edits I've seen here and nothing more. — John Cardinal 03:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enough: Administrators should block the real spammer and all his socket puppet IP addresses

"Mike Sorensen" is suspected of working for or being "Art Sayackie" mastering studio (Artmastering), who is known to use these IP addresses:

66.214.253.51
66.214.253.155

They are all based in California, and so is his mastering studio. Any comments left by him above are convenient and have only one purpose: to bring back his spamming links to the audio mastering page.

Take a look:

He started spamming the audio mastering page and getting into disputes with other users (mastering guys) as far back as August 13, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Audio_mastering&oldid=69343158 ,

as user 66.214.253.155 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.214.253.155

He posted his spam links directed to a site MusicBiz that just promotes Art Sayoki mastering studio and his "artmastering" baloney article (See the external links).

Many members have accused Sorensen on this talk page of these assertions. But, all administrators due to the confusing language and bickering, have ignored these accusations against him.

What's the real reason for arguing over these links at the "audio mastering" page? That external link posted by Art Sayocki or one of his cohorts at Wikipedia, allowed him top placement at Google.com (The same reason why Vestman, Audiplexus and Mastering Central, were also too desperate to get theirs back on the external links).

http://www.google.com/search?q=music+mastering

You can see as the #1 result: Mastering Your Music: The Essential Guide With a link to www.musicbizacademy.com/articles/gman_mastering.htm

See on that article "Art" Sayekei Mastering studio being noted and mentioned time after time, because the writer of said article is cohort "GMan" who is a client of his. How convenient!

Other terms such as “Audio Mastering”, bring up the Wikipedia’s “audio mastering page” as number one as well. This helped generate business through the Art Sayocki article even further.

Coincidence? Of course not!

If you think this is not significant, think again. The ad value on a yearly basis is close to $100,000 and that's a moderate estimate according to the $1 bid rate on Google. Plus, you get all that business that didn't cost you a dime.

Art Sayeki knows that he's running out of time and that Google will drop him soon from the number #1 position. Unfortunately for him, I and others already have discovered his hoax.

Second, "Mike Sorensen" don't be writing misleading comments made according to you by administrator "Omegatron", he never said that I should not post again on this page.

And, you'll never get the consensus to revert your spamming links with the members of Wikipedia, who by the way, are watching your moves.

Finally, You never answered this question because you know it gives you away:

Why did you erase the comment attacks made on March 6 against "Art Sayaki" or "You" as stated on the edit summary "removed... personal attack", USING the same fake IP address (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.214.253.51) you accused me of socket puppetry?

And who else but You, would even care to make sure that those comments were erased?

See how evil this man is? He went as far as creating attack comments using false IP addresses and then have the audacity to call me a socket puppeteer! "Mike Sorensen" the noose is tightening. Evinatea 17:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

by administrator "Omegatron", he never said that I should not post again on this page.

No. I said to take a break from the page and relax. You took a break, but now that you are back you are just as livid as ever.
If you aren't going to contribute to this page in a meaningful manner, then I'll extend my request and ask that you not to contribute to the page at all. If you continue to make personal attacks, you'll be blocked. Please focus on the content of the page, not the contributors.
We don't care about Mike Sorensen's real life identity. If you can provide a coherent, simple, definite example of abuse, it might be important, but mostly it doesn't matter. We'll judge his edits based on their own merits, not on his. — Omegatron 18:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


The book that I'm asking about Mastering Engineers Handbook has nothing to do with Google, IPs, Art Sayeki, or any of the irrelevant links that you are ranting about, Evinatea. Read it before you start blowing a head gasket. --Mike Sorensen 19:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


Hello? the book is not going to get the distraction you are hoping.Evinatea 20:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


Omegatron, stay out of this discussion unless it is to investigate my assertions and stop hindering me on this. My direct accusations are backed up with acceptable PROOF. Follow the links and the history of those IP addresses I left above. See the correlation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Art_Mastering

Including the one with his other account "Biggy P" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BiggyP&diff=prev&oldid=70988467

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BiggyP&action=history

Which brings back the other "Artmastering" socket puppet user "Biggy P" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Art_Mastering&diff=prev&oldid=72377896

Here is Voy7 who only came to Wikipedia to support and add "Artmastering", then never came back. Nevertheless he got into heated arguments with other users on his talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Voy7&action=history

and was accused of of being a socket puppet for "Artmastering" aka "Art Sayakei" mastering studio. See for yourselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Voy7&diff=prev&oldid=71011046

Any questions as to who is doing socket puppetry?

You said: "We don't care about Mike Sorensen's real life identity. If you can provide a coherent, simple, definite example of abuse, it might be important"

Speak for yourself and follow the links I left on my previous comment.

The article on the link in question was written by "GMan" the same guy who is a client of "Art Sayakei" mastering and came to support "artmastering" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Art_Mastering&diff=prev&oldid=71866145

There is a big conflict of interest and you can't deny it.

Also don't ignore what user Selket told you about nofollow link rules on your talk page. There is a reason for placing these types of links on an external link section. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Omegatron#Nofollow_rule) So, this is not a fantasy of mine. They do provide top rank on major search engines like Google.com.

And yes, it matters to know who "Sorensen" is if it is to support the theory that his only motive for posting at Wikipedia is to spam. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Audio_mastering&diff=prev&oldid=112776546) Why would he, unless he is "Artmastering" himself, care for re-storing the deleted links? You are too naive, Kid.

The so-called "Mike Sorensen" user, accused me and continues to imply that I am a spammer (See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Audio_mastering&diff=prev&oldid=113069515) and the only reason for that is, to divert attention from his own edits and past spamming activities.

You have no right to tell me not to uncover this user activities who initially accused me of socket puppetry and asks NOW that I be banned from Wikipedia!

I am not livid and I am right Omegatron, and I am also not alone on this one, so be careful on making any decisions to block me. Evinatea 20:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suspected spam in Spanish version of Wikipedia

I'm still investigating this one so I'm not pointing any fingers "yet", but as I was doing research on the subject of mastering in other languages I found this link in under "masterizacion" [In Spanish Wikipedia]. And here is the IP that it came from 162.83.209.26

This is really good one, even though the whole article is only few lines long it mentions Edward Vinatea twice by name as the sole source for the subject of mastering. It also spells out his website and in rough translation the wording is almost exactly the same as was used to spam the article on Audio mastering in English Wikipedia. I didn't have time to research this in dept, also I couldn't log in and do more work because Spanish Wikipedia is not connected to English version, so it wouldn't let me login. When I find some time I will do that and I will update this section. I will also check where it came from.--Mike Sorensen 21:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmed - Case closed.

The same IP 162.83.209.26 was used to spam English Wikipedia to make this entry [2] which at the bottom shows: "Edward Vinatea / Chief Mastering Engineer / MusicMastering.....com" .


  • I think this case is finally closed.--Mike Sorensen 15:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


Mike Sorensen stop making personal attacks that are geared to divert from your own editing activities. We already discussed this error of judgment and corrected it, and although an employee of our company might have done that on behalf of MMOL in Spanish, Evinatea was not involved with that. There can be no advantage or gain, doing this in other language than english, so please refrain from making accusations that will only make you look like an uncivil Wikipedian yourself.

If you want the real case closed, let go of the idea of placing external links that direct you to the articles on "Artmastering", a subject point we are willing to put behind without further inquiries. So, you must agree to stop editing and adding those external links to the audio mastering page as once noted by several editors like Han-Kwang who alerted all of us on August 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Audio_mastering#External_links) . Evinatea 17:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Mike hasn't added links to artmastering stuff since in three weeks, and has made many other good edits since then. If he really is a dedicated "persistent spammer", you've made him perfectly aware that his efforts will be futile in the future, just like your own mistakes in the past. He's openly asked for discussion about which kinds of external links are acceptable and which are not, and I'm sure he's not going to continue adding stuff without getting agreement first.
Since the same date, you, however, have made very few good edits to articles, but made lots of personal attacks, sockpuppetry accusations, bad blood, and removal of legitimate content that you feel is "promotional". Which of you is behaving badly?
If there really is a widespread malicious spam campaign, it will be handled by other people, who won't even need to resort to personal attacks, sockpuppetry accusations, or other disruption. If someone adds spam to an article, it gets removed. If someone persistently spams an article, they get blocked. If another account persistently spams an article, they get blocked. It doesn't matter if they're the same person in real life. No one cares. Maybe you've both edited without being logged in. Maybe those edits were actually by someone else and just happened to promote the same thing. In most cases, it just doesn't matter. We get mountains of vandalism and spam every day, which we handle without being uncivil and without pissing off constructive editors who might have innocently added similar content. Your accusations do nothing to help the project; they just waste time. Focus on the content of particular edits, not on editors or their perceived agendas.
Please drop this and focus on something constructive. If people continue to add obvious spam links without discussing them first, remove the spam and ask an admin to block that IP or account. If the content or link might have some encyclopedic merit, discuss on the talk page whether it's appropriate or not. — Omegatron 00:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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