Talk:Everything Changes (Torchwood)

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1 Image
2 Article name
3 Detail
4 Suzie Costello
5 Suzie Costello page deleted
6 Deletions and dating
7 Outside references

[edit] Image

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Okay, let me explain why I chose Image:Everything Changes (Torchwood).jpg as an screencapture instead of using either of the ones Bastique (talk • contribs) put up. The question to my mind was how best to capture the idea that Gwen has just entered this strange new world where she may not be prepared for. The key encounter in the episode really is her coming face to face with the Weevil in the Torchwood holding cell. That this is a key moment is also emphasised by the way Jack sits her down, asks her to consider that this thing she is facing is alien; and in Torchwood De-Classified both Eve Myles and Russell T. Davies discuss this as a key moment, where Jack is testing Gwen to see if she's up to snuff.

Ideally, I would have liked a two-shot where Gwen is seeing the Weevil clearly, with both in shot, but this was not an image that was actually present in the episode. What I did find, however, was almost as good - a poignant shot of Gwen looking almost empathetically at the Weevil while the image of the Weevil is reflected in the glass that separates them. This is the money shot. It's dark, it's moody, and hits the exact notes that the accompanying caption (one that I wrote, of course) is supposed to support. Not to mention that Eve Myles looks a lot more attractive in this shot.

Now, I don't want to disparage Bastique's work, but compare this to the one that he selected. It's Gwen, with pizza boxes, and the Torchwood sign behind her, and her expression is perhaps a little annoyed. And that's it. None of the above emotions come through in this.

I grant you, it's all a matter of opinion, but it's also a matter of aesthetics as well. I leave it up to people to weigh in and decide. If you guys want Bastique's image, hey, go ahead, I'm easy. But consider the reasons I've given and decide for yourselves which one illustrates the story points better. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 18:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

This is one reason why using the "Upload a new version.." feature is paramount - I can certainly understand Bastique doesnt want an orphaned image which eventually gets deleted and leaves a red link in her upload log and i can also understand that the image Khaos is uploading is "the money shot" thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no, I think Bastique primarily believes that his image is the better one, not that it shouldn't be orphaned. I didn't want to "upload a new version" because it wasn't a "new version", it was a completely different one. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 19:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I personally prefer the current one, although neither is perfect. The current screenshot shows only a slightly important part of the plot (Gwen delievering pizzas), and it is otherwise rather plain. However, the new image, although an argueably more important point of the plot, is poorly focused blurred, and the Weevil's reflection is distracting and fails to illustrate the moment properly, as is the rather cut-off image of Jack's shirt. Really, I'd say a better moment would be either Gwen & Jack on the 'magic lift', or the moment when Gwen walks by the computers, just before one of them bursts out laughing. La ï ka 19:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you mean, although I have gone through the scene you mention about the computers and I don't think it's suitable for the reason that the wider shot of Gwen walking towards Jack's office doesn't have any of the actors' faces in it at all (and everything else is in tighter shots which doesn't illustrate the point that she's coming into a different world). Jack and Gwen rising is a possibility, but the movement of the slab would make a focused screencapture a bit harder. If clarity and lighting is a problem on the new image, that can be fixed (in fact I've uploaded a new version which ups the contrast slightly). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I prefer Image:Everything Changes (Torchwood).jpg simply becasue the colours are more vibrant than the other one. Also? You're right, Gwen looks better in it. And while the other one is nice, she looks a bit ... stupid in it. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with khaos, but I dilike the BBC Three thing in the top corner. And Jack rising up on the lift during the stand-off is a much cooler picture, but whatever. --Jamdav86 09:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I like the Gwen & Weevil one too, but it does have problems. I really wish these TV channels would quit using bugs (I hate crushed credits too, I actually like to listen to ending themes). Its a shame there isn't a version of the Gwen and Weevil screenshot without the bug, or with the BBC HD bug which is much less invasive than the BBC Three bug. --GracieLizzie 17:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

What bugs were present on the episodes shown on BBC 2, if they were free from bugs, it might be an idea to try and take screen captures from the episodes when they're shown on BBC 2. Best Wishes Heligoland 16:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

personally, I prefer the one with Gwen standing in front of the Torchwood sign with the pizza boxes. PaulHammond 14:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... If I had to plum for just one, it would be the one with her looking slightly puzzled at the Weevil (ie Khaosworks's picture)... in spite of the BBC Three logo that screams "Hello! I'm a BBC Three Logo! Look at me! Wahey!" <goes for a lie down> - NP Chilla 11:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I prefer Khaosworks' image as well--really, I think it's just a better, less-screencappy-looking shot. But I guess this issue has been put to bed for now. Iralith 17:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

Shouldn't this be Everything Changes (Torchwood episode) ? -- Chuq 23:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Not according to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television). — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 01:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Most people are probably aware of this, but there are discrepancies between the general naming convention, and individual TV show wikiproject naming conventions; a discussion/poll at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) -- Chuq 23:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Detail

Is it worth mentioning that the perception filter was caused by the TARDIS? --Jamdav86 09:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that already under the Trivia section? (checks) Yeah, it is. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I just noticed that. Aren't trivia sections frowned upon, though? --Jamdav86 09:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but usually only when they get overlong and are uncategorised, i.e. "too much trivia!" Splitting them into more specific sections when the section gets overlong seems to do the trick, though. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 10:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suzie Costello

rescued from the Suzie Costello page before it gets deleted

Doctor Who universe character
Suzie Costello played by Indira Varma
Suzie Costello
Affiliated with	Torchwood Institute
Race	Human
Home planet	Earth
Home era	Early 21st century
First appearance	Everything Changes
Last appearance	Everything Changes
Portrayed by	Indira Varma

Suzie Costello was a principal character in the first episode of the BBC Three series Torchwood, portrayed by Indira Varma. In the episode, Everything Changes, it is revealed she is the second in command of Torchwood 3, the Cardiff based wing of the Torchwood Institute. She has been working on a piece of alien technology, a glove, which has the ability to resurrect creatures that have recently died for a short period of time. It is revealed later in the episode that Suzie had been murdering people in order to create test subjects for the glove, and when she confesses to Gwen Cooper, she threatens to shoot her with a gun. Captain Jack Harkness, leader of Torchwood 3, appears at the scene but Suzie shoots him in the head, apparently killing him, but due to his inability to die, he gets up, which results in Suzie shooting herself in the head, killing herself instantly.

Captain Jack puts her body into the freezing storage facility for dead bodies in the mortuary of the Torchwood Hub, in the draw numbered "006".

[edit] Suzie Costello page deleted

Was just wondering why? It seems okay to me - and surely it's as reasonable to have a page for her as for Iannto, Owen and all the rest. Does her death at the end of episode one make her less important? Arguably, Russell's faking us out by killing her off in the premier makes her more important. Course its been done before - anyone else reminded of Xander's mate Jesse here? PaulHammond 14:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Because an article about here is unlikely (at this point) to go anywhere beyond a few paragraphs that'll duplicate information stated here anyway. And it's not been deleted; it's a redirect. If she ever comes back (which, hey, resurrection glove!), information can be restored. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions and dating

I wrote on the Wiki Oz site that I find editing peoples' words to be "by the by", but not then going to Discussion and writing, "I deleted this because..." to be extremely rude. I wrote that Everything Changes hadn't yet reached Christmas 2007 or Early 2008, based on Jack's reference to The Christmas Invasion. It was deleted [by the by], but no reason given [rude]. Can I receive an explanation? [User: Stripey].

It's speculation, not fact. And on Wikipedia it's NOT necessary to give a comment on the talk page every time you delete or change "another person's" edit, or rude not too. Indeed, when you make a contribution to a wiki you are giving up your ownership of those words. PaulHammond 14:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)