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[edit] A welcome from Emersoni

Hello, Evanx, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions; I hope you like the place and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Though we all make mistakes, here is what Wikipedia is not. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to see the help pages or add a question to the village pump. The Community Portal can also be very useful.

Enjoy your stay with Wikipedia!

Emersoni 21:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Learn to work with people

You have reiterated to "learn to work with people", is that not an insinuation? Consider the source of the statement, it is best to drop that issue. Is that so hard? — Dzonatas 01:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is not an insinuation, and it was meant in a kindly manner. Consider your initial insinuation about motives. Regardless, I look forward to a resolution. -- Evanx(tag?) 03:13, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps, my words were clumsy rather than an actual insinuation by any effort. — Dzonatas 23:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
That would make sense. No hard feelings either way though. -- Evanx(tag?) 00:26, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Just wanted to say thank you for your efforts in getting some kind of resolution to the WPCS template arguments. Even though the vote idea didn't work out, I do appreciate your work towards get things settled amicably. --Allan McInnes (talk) 00:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem. It's a service I hope helped. -- Evanx(tag?) 03:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Computer science

Welcome to WikiProject Computer science! Glad that you've decided to join us. We can definitely use a few more arbiters :-) --Allan McInnes (talk) 01:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Do let me know of any more disputes through my talk pages! -- Evanx(tag?) 03:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
None that I know of right now. But I'm sure more will arise in due course. --Allan McInnes (talk) 04:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football AID 19 February - 25 February

Thank you for participating in the Football AID vote this week.

Football (soccer) has been selected as this week's collaboration. Please do help in working to improve it.

[edit] How NOT to steal a SideKick 2

While my usual practice is to respond on my own talk page, I thought I'd copy yours with my response:

Thank you for your note. I still do not believe the article merits remaining, but I will leave it up to the community at large. Please see the AfD nomination. Agent 86 01:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

-- Agent 86 02:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I appreciate the gesture. -- Evanx(tag?) 02:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football AID 11 June - 17 June

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Watford F.C. has been selected as this week's collaboration. Please do help in working to improve it.

[edit] Sidekick

Although the story has been picked up, the jury is still out on whether the story has legs. The guidelines at WP:MEME specify that a story should have been out there at least a year. I think that may be too long, but a week is certainly too short. Fan1967 18:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I also understand that it can fulfill any one of those conditions, and the one I am basing it on is that it has been reported by a reliable source and perhaps has had an effect outside of the article itself.
  • The meme has been mentioned in a reliable source outside of Internet culture. (Example: Dog poop girl)
  • The meme had a notable effect outside of the Internet. That's to say that it had an effect that would warrant a separate article. (Example: All your base are belong to us)
-- Evanx(tag?) 18:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment "has been mentioned" seems awfully weak. Many things get mentioned. As far as a "notable effect outside of the internet", I don't see that yet. I'm sorry, I just see this as premature. May be a lasting story, may be hardly remembered in a few months. Fan1967 19:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. It may be awfully weak, but it is a valid case for the article to fall into. My point I am trying to get across is that it fulfills the requirements of an article of its category to be posted on Wikipedia. Should this be forgotten in a few months, I will personally request for a AfD. -- Evanx(tag?) 19:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that's the problem. Look through the Category listing for Internet Memes. How many of these seemed really big at the time the articles got created, and then the articles got forgotten and left? How many really should be there? I think the answer is to wait and let the story gel before documenting it, but I suspect we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. It's the same with news stories. How many people remember the name of the guy Cheney shot? The incident was notable, the guy isn't, but his article's still there. Somebody's added a bunch of biographical info to it, but, except for the load of birdshot in the face, I don't think the guy meets notability standards. Fan1967 19:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I understand. Hence, my offer of personally taking up the deletion process for this article in the event that it becomes non-notable or forgotten. I am unlike many of the recent voters who merely skim the article or vote just because they were told to (and without contributing to Wikipedia after registration). I believe you can trust my contribution history as I have looked through yours. -- Evanx(tag?) 19:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interview background

I doubt you will want to interview me. I don't have much academic background, I got a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science from MIT a long time ago. I also don't have much Wikipedia background, I've been editing for about two weeks. Ideogram 01:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

A degree from MIT can be accreditted as a reputable source although I can see how the two weeks of editting might be a problem. However, I am interested on how an MIT graduate finds Wikipedia. Let me draw up another page for you to fill. -- Evanx(tag?) 01:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Korean football mediation

Hi Evanx.. it would be great if you could look over the stuff relating to the issue and see what you reckon the best course of action is. Holyjoe 11:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I think I have a pretty clear idea of the situation although it would ber best to discuss that on the talk page for the Korean league article. That way, other editors will be able to understand the rationale behind the decisions taken. Also, I have not heard from the other user since I have taken up the case and it is worrying that he is not responding to my notice on his talk page or at the med cabal. I am not sure of how to proceed in the case that he ignores the mediation process since it requires approval from all parties to be engaged. In that event, I think there are other avenues for your problem, such as the AfC (it is a process for comment). For now, we will await the response of the other user. If you could contact him in a neutral way to persuade his participating in the mediation, it would speed things up greatly. -- Evanx(tag?) 19:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll try sending a message to Buteur via his talkpage and invite him to contribute to the talk page on the K-League page. Holyjoe 11:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, just a quick point as to how to proceed once the suggested five day waiting period is over- I think that's due up tomorrow. I'm thinking it might be helpful if someone else made the suggested edits/reverts before I touch the articles again. There are also a number of Korean football articles that will need minor edits to direct to the correct pages (competition histories where entries for the two clubs in question link to the wrong pages) which aren't really urgent and can be picked up as and when I come across them I think. Holyjoe 13:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. Let me know which articles you need assistance with. Could you provide the revised edits on subpages on your userpage? I will then be able to use it and edit the main article. This would also be indicative of the mediation cabal's decision in the matter.
I stress that the edits to the articles to be redirected, be editted first to remove POV statements, and then we can proceed with redirection. -- Evanx(tag?) 18:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I have added to my userpage a list of the subpages I've created for the major articles that require either POV removal (FC Seoul and Jeju United pages) or which require the correct names of the clubs at the time to be inserted and properly redirected (competition pages). I have pieced together the articles as best I can in a NPOV fashion, but please give them a quick check to see if I have missed anything. There are a number of individual pages on Wikipedia that will require team name edits, such as player profiles and the like, but I can go through them in time and make the neccessary alterations.
I may also at some point in the future look at creating a list of K-League champions similar to the Premiership-style one I suggested on the talk page. I would prefer if Buteur contributed that to the article but I am prepared to do it if he can't/won't. Thanks. Holyjoe 13:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SideKick AfD

If it gets deleted let me know when you've applied for Wikipedia:Deletion review. Feel free to use or copy/paste my rationale that led me to conclude a strong keep, for now. :'D - RoyBoy 800 14:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Would you mind saving the discussions and talk page on your user pages? If you could help me with that, we could probably form a stronger and coherent argument for the mainstay of the article. -- Evanx(tag?) 19:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I've done some research on this matter too, Evan, and should it wind up with a "Delete" consensus, you can count on my support when it comes to DelRev. --SpecOp Macavity 20:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
No problemo. There is no need to save the discussion in subpages as there should be no trouble accessing them, even the talk for the article itself will remain if the article is deleted. If/when you need specific stuff, don't hesitate to contact me and I'll compile it from the various pages; or simply rewrite a coherant argument... also I will have access to the deleted edits of the article as I'm an admin. So nothing will be lost. Generally it isn't wise to apply for deletion review right away, but if this meme does become notable its eventual recreation by new users will force the issue anyway. - RoyBoy 800 02:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent changes to Korean article

Your recent addition is .. edgy.. If you don't mind, I'm going to change it a little bit so it doesn't sound like bragging so it would not raise an alarm with Panairjdde. --142.76.1.62 19:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem there. -- Evanx(tag?) 19:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
It's kind of difficult to change it and I prefer your original addition. Still, instead of mentioning it as the team's first World Cup Victory in Europe, it can be changed to the team's "first international victory in the World Cup series held in Europe." But that sounds a bit stuffy, doesn't it. Hrm, I'll just make format changes and leave the content.--142.76.1.62 19:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I myself felt that my own addition was inadequate (an apparent repetition of the above sentence) although decent enough for the occasion. And well yes, that version is certainly acceptable to me but will be quite a mouthful! *grin* -- Evanx(tag?) 19:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It could be abbreviated to "first World Cup victory in Europe.", as international is assumed for the World Cup, and series simply isn't necessary. - RoyBoy 800 02:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] interview candidate

I think User:Stephen B Streater would be an interesting interviewee. He has his own Wikipedia entry at Stephen B. Streater. Ideogram 05:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

You're not interested in the interview? -- Evanx(tag?) 13:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I thought I completed the interview. Have you not seen it? Ideogram 06:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry! I thought that you meant to recommend someone else to replace you as an interviewee! -- Evanx(tag?) 06:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revisions on User:The_Famous_Movie_Director/Draft_RfC_on_Michaellovesnyc

Hi. You mention on User:The_Famous_Movie_Director/Draft_RfC_on_Michaellovesnyc that you'd like to see a response from the subject of the RfC before deciding. He has now added his response. --William Pietri 17:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I have duly responded. Thanks for the notification! -- Evanx(tag?) 22:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Canidism

I invite you to make comments on the talk page. Currently I think I have this under my control. Eagle talk 18:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Though more points of view are always welcome, espeically from someone who is "out-side" the article.

[edit] Your mediation case: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-10 Korean professional soccer league

If your mediation case is actually closed, is it final and to the point where I may archive it with the other closed cases? I was unsure of its status, since you have it marked "Closing". Thank you! ~Kylu (u|t) 04:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

It is but the problem is exacerbated by one of the users who has ignored the mediation process and other users who are editting the article. He has deleted messages off his user talk pages which remind him of the changes as well as to participate in the process. By ignoring the call, he is evading the verdict. I am considering the following choices:
  1. Additional mediators should step in
  2. AfC
  3. Warnings
  4. Blocking
So far I have resorted to the 3rd choice. Should the edits continue, I am afraid I have to resort to 1 or 4 since he is ignoring the discussions. -- Evanx(tag?) 05:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't quite see the specifics for the case in question, but speaking generally:
I'd remind the dissenting editor that the other editors have come to a compromise on his talkpage. If he deletes this, I'd suggest contacting the AMA and seeing if they'll assign an advocate to help the cooperating users with the next step in dispute resolution.
Importantly, MedCab mediation is entirely voluntary and we have no authority to enforce our agreements. The dispute does not necessarily end with us, we're merely trying to get parties involved in a dispute to come to a compromise and act amicably towards each other. Personally, I feel that if you get the other parties to come to an agreement, you can go ahead and close the case and feel good about it: You've done what you set out to do. If the case ends up in Arbitration, well, you tried to negotiate as best you could and in good faith. That's all anyone can ask of you. :)
~Kylu (u|t) 05:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. That is why I have set it as Closing and not Closed since I still have hope that the matter can be resolved within the MedCab. -- Evanx(tag?) 05:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Best way to look at it! I talked on IRC with Kim, and he said "back in the olden days" that MedCab would take cases from under ArbCom's nose and solve them before ArbCom even had a chance to look at the merits. I'd absolutely love to see MedCab get to that point again, though quite honestly I think from my current performance maybe I'm a better cheerleader than I am a mediator. Ahwell. *rah rah rah!* ~Kylu (u|t) 21:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I do what I can. It's been a time-consuming affair.
Saw your userpage. You really like pink don't you? -- Evanx(tag?) 22:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC on Michaellovesnyc

Hi Evanx. Having finished my exams for the semester, I finally got around to submitting the RfC against User:Michaellovesnyc. Sorry it took so long. The page is at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Michaellovesnyc. Please help by adding your endorsement. I can't remember if you've been directly involved in trying to resolve the dispute, but if you haven't, you should sign and add your comments in the "Outside views" section. (I know you signed the draft version, but I figured you should sign the final submission so it will have the current time on it.) Thanks! --Grace 23:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Research Survey Request

Hello, I am a member of a research group at Palo Alto Research Center (formerly known as Xerox PARC) studying how conflicts occur and resolve on Wikipedia. Due to your experience in conflict resolution on Wikipedia (e.g., as a member of the Mediation Cabal) we’re extremely interested in your insights on this topic. We have a survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=400792384029 which we are inviting a few selected Wikipedians to participate in, and we would be extremely appreciative if you would take the time to complete it. As a token of our gratitude, we would like to present you with a PARC research star upon completion. Thank you for your time.

Parc wiki researcher 00:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
PARC User Interface Research Group

Thank you for the invitation. I have participated accordingly. -- Evanx(tag?) 16:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:ResearchStar.gif We've awarded you this PARC research star in recognition for your contribution to research about conflict in Wikipedia. Thank you for your help!!! --Parc wiki researcher 21:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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