User talk:Evadb/Archive18May2006

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Archives Archive 1 (24-02-06–5-05-06) Archive 2 (6-05-06–18-05-06) Archive 3 (19-05-06–10-11-06) Archive 4 (10-11-06–12-02-07) Current Talk (from 12-02-07)

[edit] Just Because

Just because you have lots of good info about heraldry, does not excuse and permit your persistent formatting vandalism. Using the same link for every article related in some way to the College of Arms, does not help and in no way describes further what Wikipedia readers are looking for. Wikipedia's readers are looking for specific information, not some goose chase. You have been told this time and again, yet ask again and again for why I revert your obvious lack of care. If you cared to follow Wikipedia's style rather than your own obscure reasonings, then we could come to some reckoning. If you revert my edit one more time, then I will have to take that as a further declaration of hostility and self interest in the Wikipedia community. I will not fix your other edits, on other articles. I leave that up for you to fix. I have enough experience with your edits to know that you will disregard this, then feign surprise at my edits. You will repeat this game for so long as you edit. It's a common sign of trolls here. I will defend this article forever more, in the case that it may be subjected to spam or any other vandalism. Do not like that? Tough. IP Address 06:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikistress

Image:Esperanza.Fhloston.jpg

Esperanza hopes that your stress will blow away soon.

Sorry to hear that you're stressed out. Just sit back and relax for a while, and imagine that you're in this pretty, calming place. -- Natalya 12:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. You helped me out when I was stressed with the Spoiler TfD and now it's time to return the favor. I hope that you get things worked out with IP Address (I had actually thought IP Address was a member of Esperanza as well..). Anyway, I'll look into your discussion as you suggest and let you know of any good idea. Happy editing, Chuck 13:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, so I just got done reading you talks with IP Address and am very concerned about his remarks. I think it's a little odd that for the one thread about the use of arms, the conversation was suprisingly civil, and almost a perfect example of what should occur. Seems to me that maybe two people are using the Username. Good Luck again, Chuck 13:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your conflicts with User IP Address

Hi, I saw your alert on the Esperanza page and was asked by Chuch to take a look at it, so I just did. I'm not sure if either of you has asked the help of an outside party before, this looks like it has gone on for way too long! To me it seems like you both have the interests of Wikipedia at heart, and for both of you your patience has been tried for too long, hence the uncivility and 'name calling' that occured from both sides (it's never a good idea to call edits by a fellow editor 'vandalism' if he's not a vandal). I'm sorry that it has caused you so much stress!

Regarding the content of the dispute, I think that you both have different views of the way external links are supposed to add something to Wikipedia. That seems to be a problem for many editors, so much that there is new policy under development to deal with this. It is just proposed policy right now, but you might want to read it and join in the dicsussion there: Wikipedia:External links/External links policy. The current style guide is a bit ambigious about the kind of links that this dispute is about, but my reasoning is usually this: It says at point 5: Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article, then the link would remain as a reference, but in some cases this is not possible for copyright reasons or because the site has a level of detail which is inappropriate for the Wikipedia article. (bolding mine) Therefore, links should be links that go into more detail, not a general page about a more general topic. I understand you want to make things easier for the reader who wants to learn more about the topic, but perhaps you could consider creating something like a portal (I don't know if there already is something like it, just a suggestion).

In the mean time, I'd want to ask you to refrain from reverting edits like these over and over again. Let's try to sort this out first. --JoanneB 15:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Create a Heraldic Portal. IP Address 20:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey me again. Sorry about the whole admin thing coming along, but IP Address went too far and it probably wouldn't have stopped otherwise. I don't want there to be hard feelings as we're both Esperanza members, but since the edit warring seems to be continuing, I'm gonna Be Bold and neutral and take the external link out altogether. I do not believe that this will harm the article too much, as there is already a link to College of Arms. Until there is a clear-cut policy, I believe this to be the best compromise. Have a good day/night. Chuck^(척뉴넘) 08:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

It's no problem. Let me know if you need anything. Chuck^(척뉴넘) 09:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for the advice regarding User:IP Address, I will definatley just ignore him; you are right he does seem to have a vendetta against anyone who disagrees! Thanks --Berks105 18:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

[edit] Maurice and Lazarus

Hi

Previously the "Saints Maurice ..." caused the article to appear after St. Vladimir (since Saints is after Saint). Without the extra "s" the article gets sorted with Maurice and Michael. I was thinking that since the saints' orders are sorted by saint's name, rather than the word "Saint".

Of course, this might be against sorting rules, in which case I'm sorry for any error.

203.184.63.175 21:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portcullis Pursuivant

Hi,

I noticed in the list of office holders you've changed post 1820 to 1820 for James Pullman. I put post 1820 because I was unable to find evidence of the date of his appointment, but found George Frederick Beltz listed as Portcullis in the ceremonial for the funeral of George III (Supplement to the London Gazette of Feb 19th 1820, reprinted in The Times Feb 21 1820). Thus Pullman's appointment musy have occurred some time after this. (I find Pullman mentioned as Portcullis in 1830, so he must have been appointed some time in the preceding decade). Perhaps pre 1830 would have been better than post 1820. Do you have evidence for his appointment in 1820?

Dr pda 17:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

That's OK. I've changed it to pre-1830 since it seems more logical to quote the earliest positive date I have for him, rather than the latest date I have for someone else. Dr pda 22:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hon. and other styles Adam_Bruce

Just a gentle heads up that the Manual of Style doesn't allow the use of styles in the inline of articles. It is however acceptable to mention it in the article proper, the main picture or a specific section on styles.Alci12 17:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I've edited the link to point to his father's article and if I can find the details I will add him to that to create a circular link between the earldom, father, son and the FinlagganAlci12 17:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Answering the RFA questions

I am very, very sorry I hadn't answered the questions: I would have, but I really had to leave (I had to be up by 6:40 this morning). I know how much you love those answers (and I know it's really my civic duty to answer them), so I went on and answered them. Enjoy! —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 11:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your message

I didn't think that you were being uncivil in anything that you said; I felt that things were approaching incivility because of the reverting. I certainly don't consider that the way that you expressed yourself in your messages was anything but wholly unexceptionable. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Evadb/Archive18May2006! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Eagle talk 19:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smile!

Cowman109^Talk has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to two other people, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}} or {{subst:smile2}} to their talk pages. Happy editing! Cowman109^Talk 00:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

[edit] Heraldry Portal

• Glad to see someone taking this on. I had considered doing so myself, until I became so involved with Wiktionary and was appointed Administrator there. I'm also having access issues right now, and don't see that changing anytime for the next couple of weeks. However, do let me know when the Portal/Project is up, and I'll offer whatever suggestions, support, and such that I can. Thanks again, --EncycloPetey 18:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• Great work. It is nice to see the portal taking shape. You've definitely done some great stuff already.--Dave Boven 11:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof help is here!!!

Ok, first off lets have this whole conversation on my page, so we can keep this togather. (any new tips that are learned from this I want to be able to pass to others... this conversation will actually have some value for others:-). Also I don't feel like jumping pages, especially if we don't find the solution right off of the bat:-).

Thank you:-)

P.S. normally when the light in the upper-right of my talk page is yellow or green, I will respond very quickly.

[edit] Popups

Ok, first off, I noticed that you do not have popups in your monobook.js, so we are going to need to add these first:-)

Go to your monobook and add {{subst:navpop}}. This line will expand out to the proper code. I would do this for you, but for some reason you have your monobook protected:-(.

Note, this will not help you log in, but this will prevent problems after you manage to log in. Basically you need the "revert" ablility that this code provides. (the next version of vandalproof will be popup independent, i.e. you can remove this from your monobook)Eagle talk 19:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some questions so I can better figure out what is your problem

1. What browser do you normally use to edit wikipedia? (Include version number please)
2. Do you log in every time you use wikipedia, or do you use the "remember me" checkbox?
3. What is your operating system?
4. Rate yourself on a scale of 1-10 of how computer competent you are? (1=I know nothing, I just click and it works, 10=you know how to program at a beginner level or higher any programming language)... I ask this so I have a clue of what you know and don't know:-). I rate myself a 10 as I program C++, and a little C#, plus assorted others.
5. ok, enough questions, with responses to these I will be able to start:-).

Thank you for allowing me to help you, and please remember to check my talk page for the duration of this conversation:-)Eagle talk 19:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian Heraldic Authority Template

Great minds think alike :) I had thought about doing this several weeks ago, and indeed went as far as to email the CHA to find out why Coppermine and Miramichi Heralds (along with their badges of office) are not mentioned on their web page. I got a reply from Darryl Kennedy (Assiniboine Herald) to say that he had passed this information on to the webmaster, but it would take some time to appear due to a change of personnel. I was going to hold off until this information appeared, so I would have a source to cite. But that's no reason not to start creating the other articles I guess. I'll try and make a start on the red links when I have a moment, but I'm reasonably busy this week. (P.S. Great work on setting up the Heraldry Portal, I'll add my comments to the talk page there when I have a chance) Dr pda 13:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Evadb/Archive18May2006, thank you you so much for validating my RfA! I am grateful for all the supportive comments, and have taken both the positive and constructive on board. If I can ever make any improvements or help out in any way, please let me know, ditto if you see me stumble! Thanks again for your much appreciated support. Deizio talk 18:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Would you mind uploading Image:Basilica of Constantine in the Roman Forum.JPG

To wikicommons?

Done.--Eva ^db 10:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

[edit] Highway's RfA