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Traffic on eurostar appears to be way below original forecasts when the tunnel was built. I see 7.3m passengers in 2004 [1], compared with original forecast of 17.1m [2]. This explains the financial problems in debt servicing of eurotunnel.

Contents 1 Extension 2 Stations and Information for Passangers 3 Satellites 4 Trivia Section 5 References please 6 Eurostar Routes 7 Problem with the route diagram

[edit] Extension

Are there any plans for extending the Eurostar across Europe in the future? For example extending the line to Berlin etc. Or if it is not planned could it be one day expected to happen?

Generally passengers change at Paris or Brussels onto other international trains. -- malsdavis

The Eurostar trains were designed for the specification of going through the Chunnel Tunnel and operating on the system they do (safety features, electrical pickups...) and as such they are wasted on journeys that don't go through the Chunnel. Three repainted sets are used domestically within France (and the line to Brussels). There are the Eurostar ski-services, the daily service to Disney-Land and weekly service to Avignon, all of which combine extra distance with the cross-channel segment. The only other route that has been talked about (by the CEO of Eurostar) is having a direct service to London->Amsterdam on the Dutch HSL-Zuid. The trade-off of is asking passengers to walk across the platform, verses running an entirely duplicated service; additional passport handling in Amsterdam and of course the signalling and possibly pantograph upgrades for the new High Speed line. Sladen 00:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stations and Information for Passangers

The London stations are mentioned breifly but the Paris and Brussels stations are not. It could be useful for future passengers of the Eurostar to include a bit more information on the various stations served aswell as other such journey details.

[edit] Satellites

"Eurostar" is also the name of a line of satellites made by EADS Astrium, as is shown here.

[edit] Trivia Section

Where is this information sourced from?

Whears some of it appears to be true, some "facts" I find hard to believe. I also wonder whether this section could not be reduced, does the article really require the explanation of the conventions used for the 4-digit ID numbers of power cars and other such extremely trivial trivia? Canderra 17:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd say you're right to be suspicious. 'Waterloo is the only UK gateway to have French border controls'. Wonder who those guys who looked at my passport in Dover were then? Also, 'franglais' usually is used to designate someone who can't really speak french filling in words they don't know with their english equivalents Indigenius 01:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not really correct practice to include informal "comment" in italics under each bullet point. I am apprehensive about attempting to amalgamate the italic additions with the original trvia, since I am unsure which, if either is correct. But I do feel that some effort should be made to fix this inappropriate tone or maybe just remove the "incorrect" parts entirely. 80.177.20.202 21:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you that the Trivia section is a shambles. Personally, I would like to see the trivia section either completely removed or at least reduced down to just a few lines of actually interesting trivia facts. There are other websites where prople can find information on every nut, bolt and serial number of every train, but Wikipedia is not the place for such pedantic information. Would anyone object to the removal of all but the remotely informative trivia pieces? Canderra 21:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I've removed all the pedantic responses - I merged in some of the useful bits and deleted some of the stuff that they disagreed with. I've also reorganised the trivia by topic as the first step to making this into a proper article --Dtcdthingy 02:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I have commented out the entire Trivia section for now. Apart from the issue of there being absolutly no references or way to backup any of the claims made, the vast majority of the "trivia" is not really trivia appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Most people seem to agree that it is the main detrement to the article. Information on immigration services at either end of the tunnel, advice for disabled customers and how many frequent flyer miles using the service gains a customer is not appropriate for this article. If anyone thinks that a piece of information contained within the trivia section is valid then it should be intregrated into the body of the rest of the body of the article. In a month or two's time I will completely remove the Trivia section from the source code. Canderra 17:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The "Rolling Stock" section is already beginning to look like the old "Trivia" section also. This definatly needs improvement. This is an encyclopedia article. Not a train fanatic's guide to every little nut and bolt used in the Eurostar trains. Canderra 17:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Canderra for you efforts and action. I truly hope tis is an end to the trivia, which quite frankly was silly. NoelWalley 18:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References please

The article is fun and well written, but it feels journalistic, not encyclopaedic.

I'd lke to see either more references or a serious rewrite. While I would regret the lack of fun, the wiki ethos means we need to have this backed up with references or ot should go. Thsi is, in partm, the trivia section.

Fiddle Faddle 22:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Quite right Fiddle Faddle, I entirely agree. NoelWalley 18:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eurostar Routes

How bad can computer graphics get? We would be far better of without these clumsy lists. NoelWalley 18:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd have to agree somewhat, although the idea of including a schematic sounds good to me. By far the main current route served by Eurostar is the London Waterloo to Paris Gare du Nord and vice versa (with slightly less, but still a significant number, serving Brussels Gare du Midi). The graphic shown though hardly makes it obvious these are even routes. The graphics seems to concerntrate more on routes that either don't exist yet or are only served by special services. Canderra 18:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sevenoaks - Swanley To Rochester Otford M26 From Sevenoaks Kemsing Paddock Wood - Rochester Maidstone Bearsted M20 Charing M20 From Tonbridge Ashford To Hastings To Canterbury To Folkestone

Perhaps you prefer this? I am not sure whether it is correct, but you can adapt it if you like. See Wikipedia:Railway line template and have fun. HandigeHarry 17:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I see what your trying to do, give a while and i cna correct it Pickle 20:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I've used HandigeHarry 's worka bove to create the table at Ashford via Maidstone East Line. Eurostar's haven't used that since CTRL stage 1 opened so the above table would need copious work before it acuratly represented what takes place. There has been a rough table over on the CTRL page, but it dosen't exploit the excellent feautres of the WP:TRAIL template. Pickle 22:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with the route diagram

The station at Disneyland is actually Marne-la-Vallée – Chessy and not Marne-la-Vallée. The latter is a region/area. I can't work out how to edit those boxes so I thought I'd inform you all.Martin Leng 21:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've updated the template (Template:Eurostar) and hope this is now correct. Adambro 22:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)