Talk:European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages

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[edit] Which countries and which languages?

It'd be very useful for this page to include a list of the 25 Member States, their official languages and for which other languages they have ratified this Charter. For example, English is the de facto official language of the UK but, without looking at Languages in the United Kingdom I wasn't sure whether any of Scots Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, Scots or Ullans were recognised or not (I only know Welsh is, because I'm Welsh myself) — OwenBlacker 13:29, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

Where is Greece? It should be also mentioned next to France. It only singed the charter, but did not ratifiy it. And the state of minority languages in Greece is appaling (see www.coe.int) --Nik

Greece has not even signed the Charter [1]--Michkalas 14:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of the European Union's regional or minority languages

There is no need to have here this kind of list. Most probably this list comes from Euromosaiv, a European Commission survey. So it fits better at Languages_of_the_European_Union#Regional_and_Minority_Languages. You can move it there and elaborate the existing section. BTW, one of the main weaknesses of the Charter it is exactly that it doesn't name the languages for which its provisions apply. --Michkalas 16:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

fr:Charte européenne des langues régionales ou minoritaires has a (not entirely up to date) list of languages ratified for. The CoE list of ratifications is here [2]. The Charter leaves it up to states to decide which languages they will apply the Charter to, and states therefore specify them in their instruments of ratification. Man vyi 19:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Man vyi, that's true and it would be nice to have this list here too, but that's definitely something deferent from the current list in the article. Here we have a list of the regional or minority languages in -a few- EU countries, not a list of the regional or minority languages for which the Charter applies.--Michkalas 14:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Precisely. This article doesn't need a EU language list - if it needs a list at all, it needs a list of languages ratified for. Man vyi 15:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)