User talk:Eugene van der Pijll

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[edit] Re: Demographics of Italian comuni

Hello Eugene, yes, I have a table with the data of the 8000+ Italian communes. Data come from the national statistical agency of Italy (ISTAT). Let me know the format you prefer and send me your e-mail address, I'll gladly send you the whole bunch of figures. Bye. --Paginazero 16:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The file is on its way to you. It's about 2MB of size, I hope it's not too heavy for our mail servers. Let me know. Bye. --Paginazero 16:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The The Guardian Dispute

User:JzG just blocked me for "violating" "WP:POINT." I'd appreciate it if you'd unblock me so I can start an RFC on this. -Tchadienne

Presumably Tchadienne believes an RfC will prevail where proof by assertion on Talk:The Guardian failed. As was made abundantly clear, all that's needed are some credible sources. The fact that the people hoping to insert the content will resort to anything other than actually citing credible sources may be thought significanct... ;-) The WP:POINT was removal of a warning not to remove warnings from a Talk page. I think that's pretty blatant, and it's only a 24h block. It's being discussed on WP:ANI. Just zis Guy you know? 19:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I know, I've commented there as well... Eugène van der Pijll 19:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Just zis Guy you know? 20:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grande Boucle

I believe that the current Grande Boucle race is in fact organizationally continuous with the previous version. However, the current race is not a UCI category 1 race and the competition field is significantly lower. Thus, organizationally continuous or not, it is simply not the same race as before. The current race is also much shorter than the previous version. Obviously, this needs to be further checked out and the page needs to reflect this. JFPerry 21:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geodata files

I've now dumped all the data into the database. See Special:Contributions/The_Anomebot2 -- The Anome 22:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italian communes

Hi Eugene. I see that you have started to automatically generate the Italian communes. Good stuff! I would like to make a couple of suggestions, though. (...) —Ian Spackman 20:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment moved to User talk:Eubot/Moretta. I've responded there. Eugène van der Pijll 21:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geocoding

Hi Eugene, yes, I do have the country data, as country name, decoded from the FIPS country codes. What format should the coord codes use? ISO 3166-1-alpha-2? Can you give me an example of an entry with both a type and a country encoded into it? -- The Anome 21:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. is it possible to complete all of the comunes in all the provinces in Italy automatically? Because I have been going through them manually and it takes ages. Italy comunes are an extremely important missing area of the english wiki. Can it be done easily? James Janderson

You are a genius my friend. Its just even 90 % of the comunes I have started in italy which is the majority of them!! don't even have the info boxes like yours. Your cleverness is great. James Janderson 13:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

You are doing brilliantly my friend!!!!!!James Janderson 15:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Communes in Italy - what to do with erroneous coordinates

I recently stumbled (when a similar Italian comunes project was launched on the fr Wikipedia) on a mistake in the ISTAT data used, that is an erroneous value for the latitude of Perrero. As I discovered on this discussion on the italian Wikipedia, this is a rare accident, but not absolutely unique.

As far as I can judge, there seems to be a misconception in the project, with the decision to use specific values "mapx" and "mapy" to position the dot on the map. It is not too difficult for a user to modify wrong latitudes or longitudes, but it is harder to modify also mapx and mapy.

Some Wikipedias have used a similar system, and I could not correct the map on them. As you can check, while I modified the latitude of Perrero following every interwiki link, the map is now correct on fr:Perrero and it:Perrero, but still inaccurate on eo:Perrero, nl:Perrero and now the English Perrero.

I think something should be done for this problem, but I don't know what ; as a Bot Keeper, I suppose you should have an idea of a reasonable procedure to remedy this problem. --French Tourist 18:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm back a few hours later. There is another problem : the values of mapy (I suppose "y" is for height) are wrong (or, hopefully, only the formula using them ; or only the map) ! Even with an accurate latitude, the dot is too high on the map. See an obviously flawed position at Exilles (compare with it:Exilles). --French Tourist 21:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. I am back about Perrero (quite a minor issue !). I suppose the sites you checked also used the same flawed data bank than the WP ; just try to click from the Perrero page to a neighbouring commune, that is Angrogna or Perosa Argentina, the error appears obviously. Look for instance at this site for an accurate latitude... or simply check on a good paper map, as I did. --French Tourist 08:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for our friend French Tourist’s accuracy.
Nevertheless he simply forgot to split this issue to fr:Discussion Projet:Italie/Géographie/Commune italienne, our French environment dedicated to Italian municipalities since our WP:it=>WP:fr migration, last June.
Well, now, if you want to join us for some information or something else, you know where to do it.
Regards Jpm2112 05:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Touriste a détecté, avec acuité, certains dysfonctionnemments dans les coordonnées des communes italiennes.
Par exemple : fr:Perrero (où j'ai ajouté un commentaire dans discussion Perrero en italien.
Les échanges entre French Touriste et son interlocuteur WP:en se trouvent aux liens ci-dessous :

J'ai demandé, pour plus de rigueur, à Eugene van der Pijll de bien vouloir, dorénavant, dialoguer ici.
jpm2112 20 septembre 2006 à 07:45 (CEST)


From fr:Discussion Projet:Italie/Géographie/Commune italienne

Comme j'ai dit a User talk:French Tourist#Italian communi, le probleme avec Perrero etait une confusion avec un autre Perrero. Je n'ai pas trouve autres erreurs comme ca.
J'ai trouve une nombre des erreurs plus large: pour quelques communes, il y avait une erreur dans le longitude de trois ou quatres degres. Ces erreurs etait facile de reconnaitre; je ne sais pas si ils sont aussi en wikipedia francais. Si vous voulez, je essayerai faire une liste.
(Apologies for the language; my French has become a bit rusty...) Eugene van der Pijll 20 septembre 2006 à 09:37 (CEST)
Thank you for your answer and welcome in our project.
Your suggestion for a list is very interesting and will accept it readily.
Feel free to ask us, if you need.
Your English is rusty??. No, really, you aren’t in need of oil. Regards. jpm2112 20 septembre 2006 à 12:35 (CEST)

[edit] User:Eubot

Does this have permission for a trial period? I am seeing upwards of 100 new articles created today. Thank you —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

If I am not mistaken that link you provided on the approval page shows your request for to run the bot; has it been actually been approved? - If not I strong suggest it ceases activity immediately, as according to this is has done over 1700 edits. - GIen 17:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi you are doung a brilliant job!!!! Genius idea. Keep up the good work James Janderson 10:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I am pretty sure that in Italy communes are listed by region rather than county. e.g. Cities and towns in Verona. James Janderson 12:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

HI no you are right Veneto is the Region. For some reason the category is labelled cities and towns in THE veneto which explains the red ink on the label. Your category is correct the latter will need to be changed. James Janderson 12:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi yes. there are already about 230 comunes in the cities and towns in the Veneto category. I don't know why THE Veneto- if anything this is inconsistent with all the other regions, but it is possibly best to move them into the The Veneto category though because it is quicker. James Janderson 12:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi ok cool. Then it should be Category:Cities and towns in Veneto as you rightly suggested. I wasn't aware of automatic cat. change. James Janderson 12:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

HI good to see you are still doing brilliantly. The article count of wikipedia is going sky high!! I am amazed thst Italy is so sparsely covered. I noticed that Biella and another province in Piedmont begining with V still need covering. I don't know whether you know or are going to get round to it. Anyway I won't interrupt you. ALl the best James Janderson 09:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi I think it is excellent you are keeping a record of the existing articles. That way Italy will be evenly covered. I am glad the bot is working again-extremel keep up the great work Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Eubot blocked

I apologize for having to block your bot account; however, I believe it's editing quite in excess of its trial. I've been having some discussion with individuals on IRC about the bot, and there's a lot of uncertainty regarding the free use of both the statistical data from ISTAT and some general concerns about accreditation and how the article text is being generated. If you could provide your source code and/or the algorithms and templates being used to generate the articles this may help to clear some things up. In any case, a trial run of around 15-30 articles was expected, whereas your bot has created more than 500 articles, which will be quite a headache if it turns out that the articles are not GFDL-compliant. The block will expire in 24 hours; however, please do not run the bot following the block's expiration without gaining prior approval from the bot approvals group. Please also contact me before running the bot again. Thanks. AmiDaniel (talk) 09:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi why the hell have they blocked your italy entries? 81.102.25.233 21:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm trying to find out. They will resume shortly! (I hope!) Eugène van der Pijll 21:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Certosa di Pavia does not have the data although it exists. This is James janderson with new user name. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hope you get the concerns worked out. Question: Why is the bot using <sup>2</sup> instead of ² ? Rmhermen 21:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on completing in the Veneto!!! Now I know why you are a bot! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi just noticed your articles on Padua have the comune box at the bottom as Veneto and Padua . Isn't this Toscara (Tuscany) Padua? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I thought Padua was a province in the Veneto not Tuscany? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really paying attention I have been doing the Slovenian municipalities but have been following your work and somebody elses on Romania. These three countries were amongst the most poorly developed on wiki so are very important. Glad to see three people are covering it. I won't interrupt your bot anyway Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Follow up on Eubot

Hi Eugene, I apologize for taking so long to respond--I've been quite busy lately. Anyway, I'm still waiting to here back from a few individuals on the Italian Wikipedia who are contacting the organization (I forget it's name) that provided your data about possible legal problems with releasing statistical and municipal data under the GFDL, as well as some possible problems with accreditation for where that data came from. But anyway, after further investigation of their licensing and policies, it seems there may well be no legal problems as was originally assumed; feel free to continue running your bot, and I will let you know the second we receive a response. I apologize about both blocking your bot and my ridiculously slow response. Thank you so much for your patience. AmiDaniel (talk) 18:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Getting Eubot a bot flag

Hello. I'm doing NP patrol right now, but it's mainly full of Eubot's entries right now, which makes finding other pages that should be deleted a little tricky. Would you look into getting Eubot a bot flag so that it doesn't show up in Recent Changes and New Pages? Thank you! —Scott5114↗ 17:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I didn't know bot-made pages still show up on Newpages. Though, really, they should be hidden just like on RC. I'll ask around about it. —Scott5114↗ 18:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you very much

Serious thanks for sorting out the mess around List of Czech Jews. I'm not sure the resulting title is the right choice, but at least the history is sorted out, which allows a reasonable move later. - Jmabel | Talk 19:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missed Italian municipality

Thanks to you and your bot on the great pages! I noticed Poli, Italy is missing, because the template was incorrect (it pointed to Poli, a disambiguation page). Could you add it? Rigadoun (talk) 15:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikifun

<nudge> --Spondoolicks 11:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi I don't know if you interested but many of the Departments have not yet been started in Argentina - spanish wiki has some data. I am partly going through Buenos Aires province at present where they are called partidos. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Local Councillor AfD

Hi, I've brought up this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abid Chohan, which you had previously brought up in a batch of Manchester councillors. Perhaps you feel like commenting? JASpencer 14:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overmeer

Hi Eugene, I see you've made this into a separate article, while it's in reality more like a wijk/buurt of Nederhorst den Berg, it isn't considered to be a separate entity. I think that either you should stress this in the article on Overmeer or merge the articles on Nederhorst den Berg and Overmeer. The word town is especially out of place, I think, if you want to mention it separately call it a hamlet (buurtschap?) or something like that. Lemme know what you think. NielsF 01:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tyre

Hi. If I understand you, you'd vote for a disambiguation page at 'tyre'. In which case you should support, or do I misunderstand? regards Widefox 22:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC) I have clarified my proposal to exclude a redirect page (some may even call it changed). If I understand you, you might or might not want to support this compromise/clarification of the proposal by me. Widefox 00:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Last mention (honest) I've clarified my support - only for no redirect. I've added evidence of size of ambiguity, so if you have time, please could you checkout the update. regards Widefox 13:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of the Netherlands

I see that you are interested in the History of the Netherlands - the article of that name is currently an FA but is listed at Wikipedia:Featured article review/History of the Netherlands and is likely to be delisted. I thought I'd let you know in case you would like to try and save it. Cheers, Yomanganitalk 02:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Southern Australia

I added two book references concerning a certain South Australian Bay and Harbor (35°33′S 138°37′E), I hope you don't mind. — MFH:Talk 16:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] genera articles

I see you've made a bunch of genera stubs, but your creation list does not seem to have any coherent pattern. There's nothing wrong with this, but I'm curious to know if you have any particular criteria or order for these creations that I have not been able to see. (watching for reply) - UtherSRG (talk) 19:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well that makes sense! Good for you! - UtherSRG (talk) 00:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I came here with the same question. Now that I've read the answer I'll second Uther's good for you comment. --Aranae 04:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the many genus articles you started! Could you - instead of "..." at the end - rather add some remark like "e.g." or "Including" at the start of the species list in the taxoboxes? Otherwise, it is too easy to overlook for people not familiar with the taxon in question. Thanks in advance and keep up the good work! Dysmorodrepanis 23:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] species images

Yay!!!!! :) - UtherSRG (talk) 14:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Life
For your creation of much needed structural stubs, and for the new slew of images for species, I award you with this barnstar. UtherSRG (talk) 14:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikifun

I take it this round of wikifun is over (with one question left unanswered). Could you take a few minutes to make it official - or give a deadline for the last question - so we can get onto the next round please. --Spondoolicks 13:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian stubs

Hey old buddy remember me and the Eubot from the old Italian comune days? Thanks for stub dividing Hungary. I was going through them adding them to wikipedia but have been postphined for a few weeks to comile the entire list of missing films from wikipedia!! - a mammoth task. How is life in the Netherlands? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change to Common.css

Per recent discussions, the way in which Persondata is viewed by Wikipedia editors has changed. In order to continue viewing Persondata in Wikipedia articles, please edit your user CSS file to display table.persondata rather than table.metadata. More specific instructions can be found on the Persondata page. --ShakingSpirittalk on behalf of Kaldari 01:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Municipalities in the Netherlands

Hi!

I can see you're doing great work on those articles currently, but just a minor issue -- I was under the impression that location articles should be dabbed with the format "Somewhere, Region" and not "Somewhere (Region)"? Correct me if I'm wrong...

Anyway, great work. Just to let you know someone's there who appreciates it right now. :) —Nightstallion (?) 19:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Berghem

Hi Eugene. I noticed your work and some renaming of XXX (Limburg) to XXX (Netherlands); also your edits to another Dutch municipality, 'Berghem'. The latter also mentions the disambiguation page 'Berghem (disambiguation)' that (still) mentions 'Berghem (Limburg)' but its link does not go anywhere: no article, no redirect. The forementioned 'Berghem' is in North Brabant and I assume it best to create 'Berghem (Limburg)' or put a link under it on the disambiguation page, towards the municipality in Limburg of which Berghem is a hamlet. I'll leave it up to you to solve this, as you are more aware of these topics than I am. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 12 Jan 2007 07:41 (UTC)

[edit] Thorn, Netherlands

Those deletions I made were inadvertent, as you suspected. Thanks for restoring them. --Coemgenus 01:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emmeloord

Ik was in Nederland med motorfiels vierteen dagen, twee jaren. Ik woonde in het hotel 't Voorhuys in De Deel in Emmeloord in de Noordoostpolder. Anthony Appleyard 15:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Location Maps

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, you had either explictly declared a general interest in the project, or had participated at a discussion that appears related to Location Maps for European countries.
New maps had been created by David Liuzzo, and are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions), and also which new version should be applied for which countries.
Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. The subsections on the talk page that had shown David Liuzzo's original maps, now show his most recent design.
Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 7 Feb 2007 20:10 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch villages

Hi Eugene,

Thanks for the work on the template. I have been using this index as a main source for the articles. I must have mistaken places like Angelsloor Delftlanden for villages since they have their own entries. Also, what is the name of the list of about 7000 places? Tim Q. Wells 00:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Den Ham (disambiguation)

Do you intend to create articles at the red links at this article? I was under the impression that disambiguation pages had to point to at least two articles of the same name. J Milburn 16:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand your reasoning, but I do know of cases where such dabs have been deleted. It would certainly be best if you could create those articles. J Milburn 16:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eubot and Austria

If I were to make a suggestion, I would suggest trying the Eubot on Austrian towns, if that's okay. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia'']] 17:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mechelen

While I was improving Mechelen (disambiguation), mainly adding Machelen as not to be confounded with Mechelen: Driving from Brussels (area Laken) by highway, the exit marked 'Machelen' is only a few hundred metres before the turn otherwise identically marked 'Mechelen' towards another highway that leads to the latter — while driving, people not clearly aware of Machelen's existance hardly spot the one different character... I meanwhile found another Machelen (Zulte), so your argument about a too lengthy lead for the 'Mechelen' article wins strenght. Though I find it rather useful to show the similar placenames, their origin is not always clearly documented as related to Mechelen; in particular Machelen might have an origin with identical meaning independent from Mechelen, though the distance (only 13 km) and Mechelen being mentioned 2 centuries earlier do not make that very likely. The lead offered an elegant way to show these placenames without directly needing a referenced connection, as I'm afraid your suggestion in the edit comment would require.
The disambiguation page is now modified: it is not like most disambiguation pages saying 'Mechelen may refer to: a gray cat, a miner's tool, an oriental religion', but that Mechelen is always a placename in Dutch-language. — SomeHuman 18 Feb 2007 19:53 (UTC)

[edit] Help Resolving a conflict

I have read the pages about this on wikipedia and I have came to you because you seem to be a person who knows how wikipedia is supposed to work and are most likely 100% neutral on this matter. I am involved in a rather intense edit war with two other editors of the article Miriam Rivera. In the last days the user User:Jokestress has quite reasonably asked for the article to be backed up with more reliable sources. Well I found them and that seems to have placated her. She has acted in 100% reasonable way in all of this. The problem arises in that she has asked in the spirt of resolving the conflict we were having other people who are not 100% neutral it seems to comment on the matter. These being the user User:Longhair and the userUser:Alison in particular who have not bothered to justify anything that they have done. Longhiar being an admin seems to feel no need to discuss anything and I feel is abusing her powers. Is there anything you can do? --Hfarmer 03:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing encyclopedic articles

Can you generate the page like this for Minnesota? We have 50 members over at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Minnesota and I think this would be an excellent project for us. Thanks!! -Ravedave 02:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Graphium antiphates

Thanks for spotting that. Shyamal 12:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, [4] It may have to move to Graphium aristeus rather than merge into Graphium antiphates. Shyamal 12:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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