Talk:Ethiopian Catholic Church

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 08:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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Ethiopian Catholic Church → Ethiopic Catholic Church — Eritreans dislike being called Ethiopians Lima 17:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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  • Support. Since Eritrean Catholics dislike being called Ethiopian Catholics, and since English has the word "Ethiopic" as well as "Ethiopian", would it not be better to move this article to "Ethiopic Catholic Church"? In languages other than English, Eritrean Catholics often (most often?) refer to their Church as the Ge'ez Catholic Church. "Ethiopic" is often used as a synonym of the word "Ge'ez", the liturgical language of this Church. Lima 17:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:UE: use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works. - Evv 15:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose. What's the oficial English translation according to the ECC? I guess that if they dislike being called "Ethiopians" (what I understand perectly after such a long conflict) they could seceed and form the Eritrean Catholic Church. If they don't, probably they don't care so much after all. --Sugaar 02:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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  • Maybe it would be better to move to Ge'ez Catholic Church, don't you think? --Sugaar 02:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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Regards, Evv 15:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
I do not intend to reopen the above discussion, which failed to arouse the attention of a sufficient number of editors, the reason why I decided to let the matter lie. But, just for the record, I leave here responses to some of the queries made.
Someone asked why don't the Eritreans secede. Why should they? They don't call their Church the "Ethiopian Church", and consequently feel no need to set up an "Eritrean Church". As stated above, Eritreans most often refer to their autonomous ("sui iuris") metropolitan Church, which has Addis Ababa as its metropolitan see and two suffragan sees in Ethiopia and three in Eritrea, as the Ge'ez Church (by analogy with "Latin Church") and "Ethiopic" has often been used to refer to the Ge'ez language and literature. (Very few if any other languages can make the distinction English makes between "Ethiopic" and "Ethiopian".) European Catholics in Germanic or Slavic countries feel no urge to "secede" from the "Latin" Church. Ethiopian Catholics, as well as Eritreans, accept the designation "Ge'ez". Eritreans accept the designation "Coptic" - anything but "Ethiopian" - while admitting that it is inexact. On the other hand, Ethiopians reject the description "Coptic", although Europeans often apply it to them.
Ew said: "Use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works." I very much doubt if any encyclopedia or reference work in English, other than Wikipedia, has an entry on the Ethiopic/Ethiopian Catholic Church, which itself has no official designation: the official name of the Bishops Conference is "Assembly of the Catholic Hierarchs of Ethiopia and Eritrea" (page 1109 of the 2007 Annuario Pontificio).
Sugaar's suggestion was perhaps worth discussing; but if I understand correctly, administrators do not consider a discussion by just a few as conclusive, so, as I have said, I just let the matter lie. I have come back here because, when speaking elsewhere of the Catholics of this rite in Ethiopia and Eritrea, I found that "Ethiopian-rite Ethiopian and Eritrean Catholics" sounded very strange, but not "Ethiopic-rite Ethiopian and Eritrean Catholics". I doubt if those I was conversing with would have understood "Ge'ez-rite Ethiopian and Eritrean Catholics". Lima 16:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I suppose that "Metropolia of Addis Ababa" is the only phrase that one could consider to be an official title of the Ethiopic Catholic Church. Lima 16:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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