Talk:Erwin Raphael McManus

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Contents 1 What's going on with this article? 2 Unsourced material 3 Fix indexing 4 Objection to protection of page by Delirium

[edit] What's going on with this article?

Someone keeps replacing the article with an unwikified text dump that looks like a copyright violation, and people remove the cleanup tags as well. The article as is is horribly non-neutral too. --Delirium 07:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is some people have a vendetta against Mr. McManus. They are adding links to "Erwin "McManus" websites, most of which are slanderous and opinion at best, not based on unbiased information. I am fine if they want to add a "criticisms" section on this page (as with Rick Warrenr, Rob Bell, etc.). But don't disguize links to websites (such as myspace) as sited works. One person has even taken on the screen name ErwinMc (posing as the man himself) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.254.139.106 (talk • contribs).

It's true that a small group of people have a vendetta against Mr. Manus, not only for what they perceive as personal injustices done upon them but because they lump him in with a certain movement and believe they are battling against this movement.

No, its true Erwin belongs to the Emerging Church movement and he deals with his people poorly. There's perception and then there's truth. Erwin is not well and that's truth. I 'perceive' the church may be as well.Thetruth67 05:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that this is Wikipedia, an encyclopedia, not a blog. You are free to write anything, positive or negative, about anybody, but must do so in a way that is neutrally phrased and backed up by reliable sources. --Delirium 15:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Can we simply add a "criticsims" section with the links instead?  I can do this.

By the way, I am not ErwinMcManus, I am a former memeber of his organization, MOSAIC. ErwinMc is just the username that I have chosen. Just like Delerium has chosen a username "Delerium", which is obviusly not his real name; I hope.

A "criticisms" section would be fine if we can find decent sources, not just links to blogs run by people who dislike him. Have there been any published newspaper or magazine articles on why he's controversial? If so, those would be much better sources. --Delirium 16:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Stand-by Delirium (btw, your bias here is obvious) this is a new issue there WILL be articles. Thanks for that idea. LA Times, Fox News, Etc...here we come! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.26.156.199 (talk • contribs).

If that does happen, then the information of course can go in the article. I don't really care about Mr. McManus either way (I know nothing about him and had never heard of him until I stumbled across this article on Recent Changes). --Delirium 04:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced material

Any material which is not WELL sourced should be removed immediately. Thanks--Tom 16:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC) http://www.svchapel.org/Resources/BookReviews/book_reviews.asp?ID=333

ok, thats a start.--Tom 20:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Please explain why other links to Erwin McManus can not be posted? Also, who is Delirium that he can "lock" a page?

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FactSeekR (talk • contribs).

Wikipedia has policies on biographies of living persons, reliable sources, and external links. Generally, we only report or link to negative assertions about a person if they're published in reliable sources, such as a mainstream newspaper, magazine, or book, since Wikipedia articles shouldn't be used for gossip or anything potentially libelous. I can "lock" a page because I'm an administrator. --Delirium 04:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fix indexing

Why in the world has this been protected for two weeks?

Somebody needs to fix the sort key or magic word DEFAULTSORTso that it indexes properly in categories. Add category Year of birth missing and other appropriate categories as well. Gene Nygaard 21:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Objection to protection of page by Delirium

It is at least an appearance of impropriety for User:Delirium to protect a page for a dispute he/she is involved in. Gene Nygaard 21:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't say I'm "involved" in the dispute. I've never heard of this guy, but just ran across someone adding material that flagrantly violates WP:BLP on recent-changes patrol. As a rotating group of single-purpose accounts and IPs (all likely sockpuppets or meatpuppets) continued to re-add it, I had no choice but to protect the page, as instructed by that policy ("Administrators may enforce the removal of such material with page protection and blocks, even if they have been editing the article themselves"). If someone else would like to take over managing the controversy on this page I would be happy to be rid of it; in fact, I've tried several times to get other people to deal with it, by posting on the BLP noticeboard, the WikiProject Christianity talk page, and several other places, but nobody bothered to do anything (though User:Threeafterthree did show up and make some comments). --Delirium 21:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)