User talk:ErleGrey

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Contents 1 Unspecified source for Image:SnlYorke.jpg 2 Summaries 3 The Sex Pistols 4 Oasis soundclips 5 Image:RhDAS.jpg 6 Image copyright problem with Image:Jonnyguitar.jpg 7 Modern Life is Rubbish 8 British Invasion 9 Comment 10 Big Beatles edit 11 WP:MOS 12 Oasis: Standing on the Shoulder of Giants "out of print" 12.1 Regarding edits made during February 7, 2007 (UTC) to Radiohead's seventh studio album 13 Regarding Keane Article 14 Modern Life is Rubbish 15 Hail to the Thief 16 About Keane 17 Kid A 18 Wiki Project Pink Floyd 19 The Beatles and 3RR 20 Blur 21 PF albums infoboxes 22 Archiving 23 Pink Floyd 24 WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 11, March 2007 25 Pink Floyd - Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:SnlYorke.jpg

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[edit] Summaries

Don't forget to use summaries, especially if you're essentially removing huge sections of pages to archive them. Thanks! yandman 15:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Sex Pistols

Out of interest, why did you put the Sex Pistols back after all that? Just sick of the shouting man? BTW, the Sex Pistols page names Oasis as having been influneced by them, citing an BBC article "Never Mind Nirvana....Here's The Sex Pistols". However, this has now been deleted. Could you still use that?--Crestville 16:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oasis soundclips

Per Wikipedia:Music samples, it's better to place the soundclips within the text instead of putting them at the end of the article. That way our Fair Use rationale is stronger. WesleyDodds 17:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:RhDAS.jpg

Hi there. I noticed that you added {{Replaceable fair use disputed}} to Image:RhDAS.jpg but that the reason you provided doesn't seem to refute the reason I provided for adding {{Replaceable fair use}}. If you haven't already, you may wish to take a look at the image's talk page and discuss the image there. ShadowHalo 00:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

{{subst:image copyright|Image:Radiohead.JPG}

Creating a montage of copyright material does not grant you copyright over the resultant work. ed g2s • talk 18:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Jonnyguitar.jpg

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[edit] Modern Life is Rubbish

You have written that Modern Life is Rubbish has only increased in stature because of its Britpop links. Of course, a few people go back and buy it because of it, but the majority go out and buy it nowadays because its great music. A lot of Blur fans who only 'found' Blur in the Battle of Britpop era have since gone back and bought it and now realise how good it is, hence its placement at #6 on the best ever albums list. It didnt get to #6 just by being the first Britpop album, as you have implied in the article, but due to its musical merits. Of course I'm biased, but I for one bought it because I liked what I heard, not because it was father of Britpop. I haven't edited the article back to what I put earlier yet.

PS Sorry about TGTBATQ album page- I didn't know that the personnel listings were now removed from album pages, I was still working on the older album format. Yours, Dsims209 17:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British Invasion

You and I seem to be going back and forth about the "British Invasion" bit in the intro to The Beatles. I think it's redundant to state that the British invasion involved British bands (as opposed to Swedish or Hawaiian bands, say?), but when I've deleted the reference to British bands you've changed it back. Any proposals for settling on an agreement? Cheers - Raymond Arritt 01:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Can you explain why you did this, this, and this? Perhaps it was an accident. Cheers, Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 21:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Beatles edit

Nice one, but it would have been nicer if you had added a summary in the edit comment space... LessHeard vanU 22:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MOS

Hello. I'm not quite sure why you're undoing my formatting correction to the line in the Coldplay article about BBC Radio 4's Front Row. [[Radio 4]] leads to a disambiguation page, so [[BBC Radio 4]] is the only appropriate link, and is the official name of the station. Programme titles should be italciised. Front Row is a programme title, and, thus, should be in italics. The JPS^{talk to me} 22:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oasis: Standing on the Shoulder of Giants "out of print"

Hi, ErleGrey. I notice you've reverted my changes to the Oasis: Standing on the Shoulder of Giants page, specifically my deletion of the trivia "The album is completely out of print in Australia and no longer available at all, as has been the case for a few years. Whether or not it will be made available again in the future is unknown."

Can you offer any evidence to support the claim that the album is "out of print in Australia"? What does "out of print" even mean?

Can you offer any evidence to support the claim that it's not available at all in Australia? Surely the fact that I can go to my local record store and see the album on the shelf there is proof the claim is false.

Cheers, Jack Garfield 01:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edits made during February 7, 2007 (UTC) to Radiohead's seventh studio album

Please do not replace Wikipedia pages or sections with blank content. It is considered vandalism. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. The man stephen 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Keane Article

Please stop vandalising artist's pages with commentary such as

"The awful band Keane is enjoyed only by children, the mentally disabled, and people's mums"

I have to say the Tom Chaplin cartoon recently added to the talk page is one of the funniest things I've seen in ages.Greycap 13:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modern Life is Rubbish

How many times do I have to write this before you pay any attention to it?

You have written that "As it is generally considered that Modern Life Is Rubbish was the first Britpop album, the album's popularity has grown considerably in stature since its release". Of course, a few people go back and buy it because of it, but the majority go out and buy it nowadays because its great music. A lot of Blur fans who only 'found' Blur in the Battle of Britpop era have since gone back and bought it and now realise how good it is, hence its placement at #6 on the best ever albums list. It didnt get to #6 just by being the first Britpop album, as you have implied in the article, but due to its musical merits. Of course I'm biased, but I for one bought it because I liked what I heard, not because it was father of Britpop. I don't see why you keep reverting it back.

You wrote: how does the title Blur v America prove it is Britpop? I hope that is a joke? Let me remind you Britpop music is influenced by 60s bands, such as The Kinks, Blurs influence. In addition Britpop music's anti-influence was grunge, an American style. Blur for one wanted to stamp out all things America. Therefore this album is Britpop. I presume you, as an American, are prejudiced against the album just like I, a Brit, am prejudiced against grunge.

[edit] Hail to the Thief

First, please remember to mark your edits as minor when (and only when) they genuinely are minor edits (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one (and vice versa) is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a "minor edit". Thanks!

Secondly, we don't give catalogue numbers (not being a catalogue), and there is no need for a comma in the date, as that is either included or exlused by the reader's preferences. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

As you'll see from Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums, we don't even give catalogue numbers on articles devoted to albums. A discussion of the best way to present discographies (at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines included a number of alternatives, none of which included catalogue numbers. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've edited hundreds of article on albums, and very few have included catalogue numbers (those have always been corrected, either by me or by someone else). In discussions at the WikiProject, the use of catalogue numbers has always been rejected; why don't you ask there.

Incidentally, always sign your messages at Talk pages with four tildes (~~~~); it provides a link to your page as well as the date and time. Simply typing your User name makes things more difficult for those replaying to you. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I've left a request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums for the location of previous discussions in the archives. the trouble is, I can't remember if the discussions were there or in a another place (the trouble with Wikipedia is that such discussions can often be scattered, and more often than not different sets of editors reach contradictory conclusions, completely oblivious of each other). If you want to replace the catalogue numbers, do and I'll not remove them (but as it's a British band, the British English spelling should be used...).

No need to apologise for your tone (or, at least, no more reason than there is for me to apologise for mine). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Keane

I do not own any article on the Wikipedia and I know that. However, Wikipedia is free to be edited by anyone, including both of us. This happened months ago along with me and Painbearer and finally because of the same reason: exclusionism. Even if you don't declare yourself as a exclusionist, your edits remark that. Is not about giving up or not but you or I are going to give up first on reverting the other's edits. And that would be you. Why? beacuse even though you're defending your edits, you're not defending your favorite band's article. It happened and after two months, Painbearer ceased. I won't. Also, you remind me of Painbearer, with the phrase "your hard work go down the drain". Is not about utis but about Keane. Wikipedia is an ecyclopedia, but not a paper encyclopedia, which means it can contain far more information than a paper one. And, I want to remind you I've never vandalised a page by offending, as you did on Under the Iron Sea and taking a phrase by The Mekon. So, rather than me, you, reconsider your behavior--Fluence 00:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It's stated sun will make quicker global warming damaging by 2010. So no one really knows. After Maya people living centuries ago, six days are nothing...--Fluence 00:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

May be. However, for me, you seem more like Painbearer.--Fluence 01:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello then.--Fluence 01:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kid A

The trivia section DOES need cleaning up, if you could delete/move it to it's appropriate place, that'd be great. Powelldinho 20:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Project Pink Floyd

Hi! I've seen you around on Pink Floyd articles... Would you consider becoming a member of WikiProject Pink Floyd, a WikiProject which aims to expand and improve coverage of Pink Floyd on Wikipedia? Please feel free to join us. - Dr. Who 04:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles and 3RR

You should be aware of WP:3RR (may be too late now) - and it might help to explain to the other editor in more detail (on their talk page if necessary) why you are doing it. (John User:Jwy talk) 19:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I have already messaged User:Pauliath regarding their edits and mentioned the Three Revert Rule. I have also referred to "consequences". I am watching the article, and will step in if there are further reverts. Now that you are aware of 3RR I suggest you do not do any further reverts today. I would like to thank you for your efforts, and the admirable patience you have displayed in this matter. Cheers. LessHeard vanU 21:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking more closely, I admire your patience as well. While I have The Beatles on my watch list, I don't pay too much attention to what is going on in detail because I know there are many good editors interested in it and problems will get cleaned up quickly. But when I saw you revert so much without the other user's talk page being updated, I wanted to pipe in - he may not know procedures here and I didn't see how he could find out from the edit summaries or would even know to look at the talk pages. I see you have removed your contributions to the Beatles talk page. I hope it was not in reaction to my comments above. I did not intend to try your patience or add to your frustration, just to point out that 1) if the changes Pauliath was making were contrary to The Beatles editors general approach, other people would (and should) be reverting after you and 2) Pauliath may not be aware of all the ways of communicating on Wikipedia yet and we should assume good faith. I hope you come back to The Beatles at some point. (John User:Jwy talk) 23:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blur

I see you've put up Blur for GA nomination. If you need anything referenced, I own John Harris' book on Britpop as well as the NME Originals Britpop article collection. Just let me know. There's some stuff I've cited on Britpop regarding the band (before I got burnt out and stopped revamping the article about halfway through) that you might want to incorporate into the article. WesleyDodds 00:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PF albums infoboxes

Hey, it seems that our new friend, Tomkurts is going to change the genre attributes for every Floyd's album. I agree with some of his edits, anw some are wrong.--Dr. Who 20:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Please explain why you are deleting importnat info from PF albm's infoboxes. We should discuss this issue at WikiProject.--Dr. Who 01:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving

I reverted your edits to the archives with a message that advised you not to mess with them. You then further edited one of the archives. There's a reason I used that message. I have a specific system for archiving the talk pages and I prefer to do the archiving myself. There is currently no reason to change this system, so please leave the archiving to me from now on. Thank you. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 03:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pink Floyd

I dont want to see edit wars between WP Pink Floyd fellow members¸ please be cool and nice. Cheers.--Doktor Who 21:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 11, March 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 011 – March 2007
Beatles News On February 5, 2007, the Beatles' Apple Corps and Apple, Inc. (Apple Computer) announced a settlement of their latest trademark dispute involving use of the Apple trademark on the iTunes Music Store. In May of 2006, the High Court ruled in favor of Apple, but Neil Aspinall, manager of Apple Corps, vowed to appeal. Evidently, in the intervening months, the two companies negotiated a settlement. The settlement is discussed in this AP story. For background on the case, see Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. For fans, this may mean that Beatle music will be available someday on iTunes. Despite rumors of a February 2007 release, the material is still unavailalble. The divorce case between Paul McCartney and his estranged wife Heather Mills McCartney has begun with a preliminary hearing in the London High Court on March 1, 2007. See the McCartneys Have Their First Court Date. Chronicle Books has reissued I, Me, Mine, the 1980 George Harrison autobiography. See details in the editors page Project News The articles Freddie Lennon, Julia Lennon, Mimi Smith, Neil Aspinall and Mal Evans have all been promoted to Good Article status. The identity of the individual largely responsible for this outcome remains a mystery, but anyone correctly identifying said person will be treated to dinner with Sir Sean de Garde (cost of meal, air tickets, hotel and trips to houses of ill-repute will be borne by the Mighty Crestville). There were no Project article adoptions for the month of February. One new article has been listed in the Project Log since 1 February; namely The New World Tour, relating to the 1993 World Tour by Paul McCartney, created by the Project's Macca/Wings tours resident expert Danthemankhan. The hottest Project pages this month have been.... Julia Lennon, Freddie Lennon, Neil Aspinall, and Mal Evans, which are now all GA, and Mimi Smith, which has been peer reviewed to see if it could be FA. Project Policy has now been altered to reflect that the use of lowercase for the letter "t" of the word "the" in the Beatles is now considered the correct rendition. Member News New members to the project since the last issue include (although the first is a long time contributor who apparently has only just found the Participants section); Tvoz Freshacconci Liamshaw John Cardinal Mezlo ErleGrey Captain Waters Hey jude, don't let me down Apepper has been awarded a Barnstar for his considerable contributions to The Beatles' influence on music recording. LessHeard vanU has also acquired two Barnstars, and a WikiFish(!), mostly due to undue influence.	Issue of the Month See below. There is genuine concern that the Newsletter is getting stale in terms of content and variety, and that the same individuals are featured each month. Furthermore, lack of "news" is hindering the timely distribution as the editors wait for something to report. All Project editors are encouraged to give their news, suggestions and thoughts to keep the 'Letter vital and interesting. If making direct contributions do not appeal, please give a mention on the Newsletter talkpage and it will be incorporated! From the Editors Help is needed for the job of putting future Newsletters together. The present incumbent is finding it difficult to reflect the breadth of the Project, focusing on much the same individuals and articles each month, and has decided to beg for contributions from other individuals. Interested persons need only start working on next months issue to qualify. It really is that simple! If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 012 – April 2007). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Contributors to this Issue lEaD ediTor (Lead Editor) John Cardinal (Editor) LessHeard vanU (Editor) Lar (Editor, Distributor) Alexcalamaro (Editor)
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[edit] Pink Floyd - Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

As you should see from earlier edit summaries did Roger Waters attend by satelite in 2006, not 1996 which is the one that there has been some revert "war" over the last couple of days. Please, do not change it any more Coq Rouge 10:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)