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Erkin, I want to add my welcome here, since it is after (though of course not necessarily because of!) my recommendation to "the anonymous editor" of the kumis talkpage that you did indeed get an account. I really should create one of these welcome templates (above) for myself to dole out to newcomers. Sometimes they end up looking as if they were generated by Wikipedia software, but they aren't. That individual decided to welcome you. So do I! Drop a note on my talkpage if you want some advice. If your interest in kumis stems from a more general interest in Central Asia, why not join that project and share your knowledge? I hope you enjoy your time here. Your efforts are valuable. BrainyBabe 09:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Mirjaqip_Dulatuli.jpg

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No problem! Khoikhoi 02:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Hi Erkin

I saw your tag to merge two articles on the same person. That is a good idea. However, please keep in mind that there are wording problems and historical oversights in your edits. We should discuss and cooperate as how to create a featured article out of the two versions. Please reply me on my talk page, or on one of the discussion pages of the articles. regards. First, issue, I want raise is that Dulatuli is good and Kazakh, but not the most known name for him. If people do a search, they would more probably first type Dulatov? So, I humbly suggest we keep that as the page name, and put Dulatuli next to it. There are also Baytursunov, Bukeihanov, Chokay and other Alash Orda bios we can cooperate to avoid double efforts. cs 21:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I have not noticed there is already a Baytursunov page. There is an overwhelming need to establish a standart of transliteration on Kazakh pages. Everyone seems to be following a different convention, which makes it very hard to follow what is already there what needs to be done.cs 21:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, I agree very much with you. I would have thought that the official latin alphabet in Qazaqstan would be a good place to start, perhaps changing a few letters, sh, u (from w), etc. . . But I'm not sure, should we stick to the old Russian transliteration system? If we do that why don't we set a Wikipedia standard, and have it somewhere so that we can make sure all the articles are like that, and the other articles redirect?--Erkin2008 21:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • My own personal opinion, is to follow English transliteration of Russian versions, when they are more common, and Kazakh versions when they equally return high hits. Few people use and understand -uli suffix yet, even in Kazakhstan. cs 21:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • It's very common in other Kazakh places though. If you would rather have the names go through the Russian first though, that is ok with me. I don't like it as much, but I don't horribly mind it either. Is there a pretty standard way of transcribing Russian?--Erkin2008 21:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Library of Congress is a common transliteration. You can find it on the internet. You go merge the articles as you like. I will work on them later, when I find time. Few quick notes, there is no county in Kazakhstan, you should use standard rayon, village "oblast" etc. And please use the more specific version of events whenever they overlap. Like when you say "establish a state," and I say, "to establish Kazakh autonomy," the latter would be more correct. Alash leaders could not imagine full independence at the time, they were demanding autonomy and the return of colonized Kazakh lands by Russian settlers. Rahmet!
  • Ok, I'll try and do that. Should we also do the same thing with Abai's article? Switch it to Library of Congress Transliteration? I believe it is now, and has been for a long time at the Kazak spelling. And also, I changed the name for the Mirjakip one, but I didn't write hardly any of it!--Erkin2008 22:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate article topic

Hi, please be more careful when creating articles, in order to avoid redundancies. Your new article Oirat (China and Mongolia) must be merged into the long existing Oirats. Thanks for your cooperation. --Latebird 17:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Nurmuhemmet Yasin

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[edit] Re:ID

Are you aware of any sources which suggest that ID is not a teleological argument, even pro-ID ones? If so, can you point us to them? Thanks. Guettarda 15:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Casey Luskin of the IDEA Center:

An extensive look at the actual writings and arguments of those in the ID research community reveals that intelligent design is not an appeal to the supernatural, nor is it trying to "prove" the existence of God. The consensus of ID proponents is intelligent design theory does not allow one to identify the designer as natural or supernatural, because to do so would go beyond the limits of scientific inquiry.

[1]. He also gives excerpts from books and articles by Behe and Dembski.
Also see Researchid.org Intelligent Design is Not. . .
After more careful examination, I see though that there is not even much of an attempt or desire for unbiased articles on the part of the majority. --not on these controversial sujects. . . I wonder what could be done to change this. Even if they don't have something blatantly wrong like now, they will write the article in a way of quite mockery.--Erkin2008 05:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
So you are saying that Dembski and Behe are unreliable sources? You are calling the Library of Congress a biased source?
reveals that intelligent design is not an appeal to the supernatural - no, but it requires that science stops ruling out supernatural causes
nor is it trying to "prove" the existence of God - no, of course not. ID claims to be science, and it is impossible to prove anything through science. Hence the quotes around prove.
intelligent design theory does not allow one to identify the designer as natural or supernatural, because to do so would go beyond the limits of scientific inquiry - by definition, ID does not address the "nature" of the Designer. Again, since it claims to use the scientific method (or rather, a modified scientific method, one which does not rule out supernatural causation), obviously it only seeks to show the "hand" of the Designer. The reason for this has been explained by Johnson, the founder of the movement...if you say "the Designer is X" you (a) lose some potential allies, and (b) you fall foul of the establishment clause. The simple fact is that ID presumes teleology - that you can demonstrate the actions of the designer. A fundamental assumption of ID is that the handiwork of the designer can be shown. If the hand of the designer can be shown, then the existence of a designer can be shown, which means that ID is a teleological argument. Dembski, the intellectual driving force behind ID, has called it teleological. Luskin is talking out of both sides of his mouth, as usual.
As for ResearchID - it's a wiki, written by a handful of people, most of whom don't understand ID. If you want to know about ID, read Dembski and read Behe for the pro-ID side, but also read Michael Ruse, Elliott Sober and Robert Pennock. And don't take Luskin's word when he contradicts Dembski and Behe. That's just silly. Guettarda 06:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The New Central Asia project page

Hi

I revised (a bit radically) the navigation system of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Central Asia. The old page was a mess. You are a member of the project, I would appreciate if you would compare with the old page and give a feedback on the talk page. Thanks. cs 22:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Turkey

I was thinking that maybe you would like to get involved with Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey - we need all the help that we can get. There you can also find and contact users who are trying to improve Turkey-related articles. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Just click on the participants tab on the project page. Happy editing! Baristarim 23:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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