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Contents 1 One last (please oh please) poll 2 Proposed Ceres move 3 Proposed Guideline 4 September 2006 archive 5 Featured Article? 6 Proposed symbols 7 Proposal to change image to this 8 spelling, pronunciation wrong 9 Request for comment 10 Pronunciation of Eris

[edit] One last (please oh please) poll

Talk:Dwarf planet/Naming. Because an important option was left out of the last poll. Adam Cuerden ^talk 15:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Ceres move

Following the discussion and supermajority/consensus established on Talk: Dwarf planet/Naming there is a proposed move for 1 Ceres to be moved to Ceres (dwarf planet) on the Talk: 1 Ceres page. Those Eris editors who wish for a policy one way or another on the overall naming scheme for dwarf planets should participate there. Thanks. The Enlightened 19:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Guideline

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (astronomical_objects). Now, I'm not saying we necessarily SHOULD use this - it's a proposed guideline, after all. But we probably should discuss it, since we are going against it. It seems to make a clear case for Pluto staying where it is. What about Ceres (one of its examples, though before the reorginisation) and Eris? Thoughts? Adam Cuerden ^talk 19:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September 2006 archive

Older discussions have been moved to the September 2006 archive, up top. RandomCritic 06:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Article?

isn't it time to re-nominate this article to Featured Article status? Orionist 01:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed symbols

The one proposed in september 2005 in Poland . Plase list here the other proposed symbols. Anika 16:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

It is most unlikely that the IAU will nominate a symbol for the object. Such additions would be unfounded speculation. Michaelbusch 17:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

http://www.zanestein.com/Trans-pluto.htm#UB313 - it would be nice if the IAU officially recognized symbols for the various planets and dwarf planets. Ofcourse, not that the IAU need do it... astologers invented on for Pluto they're quite happy with, ignoring the PL symbol. But, as IAUPAC gives symbols for elements, IAU should give a symbol to Eris. 132.205.44.128

If a symbol (or many symbols) become generally associated, we should probably mention it here. 132.205.44.128 04:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

That's unlikely to happen for a few decades: The symbols just aren't used much anymore, so there's no strong push to get one. Adam Cuerden ^talk 09:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. Astrologers are the only ones who routinely insert Eris into their charts, so they were in need for handy symbol. And so far only minority of them is doing this at all. GrzegorzWu 11:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The Erisian/Discordian community has been pushing for "The Five Fingered Hand Of Eris" to become the official symbol of the planet Eris. Assorted online petitions have been started and the 'historical' symbol of the Erisian movement seems to be far more appropriate than the glyph referenced above from the Polish source. http://www.moldred.org/images/designs017.JPG shows the symbol as shown in The Principia Discordia. --Razmear 05:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The official symbol candidate is: http://www.suberic.net/~dmm/graphics/astro/img/big/Eris.png I attempted to upload the public domain image, but got errors. http://www.suberic.net/~dmm/graphics/moons/ shows the proposed symbols for both Eris and Dysnomia. --Razmear 05:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

As I said above, the IAU will not assign symbols to additional objects. Michaelbusch 05:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello! Those are the images I created. I'm not sure my Dysnomia symbol is proposed by anyone but me. Obviously none of these are worth adding to the article unless using Eris in astrology becomes much more widespread, and even then it would probably end up in a section of Astrology rather than here. As for the Polish symbol, I've seen that symbol used to mean Earth, so it would be strange to have it suddenly refer to Eris. DenisMoskowitz 15:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. BTW, Razmear, the proposed "Five Fingered Hand of Eris" and another proposed symbol, the "Eye of Providence", have already been uploaded in nice SVG format: and . _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 16:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The current stable of symbols is:

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Shouldn't we omit the symbol from 2060 Chiron as well, then? Urhixidur 17:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we should. They are not being used by anyone, and have no historical significance. Michaelbusch 17:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, that is not true. They are used by astrologers --and only by astrologers. A paragraph in the text (rather than an infobox entry) is warranted, methinks. Urhixidur 17:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not know the level of usage of the symbols by astrologers, but unless they are widespread, I think Wikipedia:Notability needs to be considered. If the proposed symbols have simply been proposed and don't have widespread usage or significant history, then they are not notable. Michaelbusch 17:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Although these symbols are not used by astronomers, they do continue to be used by astrologers. Astrologers were the original astronomers...I don't see a problem with a small sub-section or paragraph alluding to the symbol. Probable placement would be in name section as a symbol is a suitable substitution for a name (pictoglyphs are an example of this.) Abyssoft 06:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That is the crux of the matter: 'continue to be used'. The astrologers only started cooking up symbols for the thing last year. There is no long-term history of use. That is why I worry about notability. Michaelbusch 06:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to change image to this

Far better than current image. Zazaban 21:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This is not an image of Eris. It is a copy of a map of Pluto. While the two may look similar, we can't misrepresent one as the other. There is no map of Eris yet because to make such a map requires a lot of data and post-processing. Michaelbusch 22:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] spelling, pronunciation wrong

Talk:Eris (dwarf planet)/Archive 4#"Eris" still wrong: This is not English, and neither is mest of what English-speakkrs speak. They don't know how to spell or speak. ("unable" hah! un-ebùl?? You mean deabil? ungainsly? The world doesn't know a thing about English.) -lysdexia 21:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

It's Hèris, by the way. That's Herrese in English. -lysdexia

[edit] Request for comment

I have taken the dispute on the minor planet numbering in the infobox to WP:RFC Bluap 04:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Please keep any comments on this issue on Talk:Pluto Bluap 05:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation of Eris

This is in response to User:Sturmde's comment "εr- pronunciation is predominant and that of the discoverers, and is correct as the Greek has initial epsilon rather than an initial eta.". First, I know of no survey that would demonstrate that the "erris" pronunciation is more prevalent than the "eeris" pronunciation; or that the latter is "chiefly British". Second, the "erris" pronunciation is not "correct" in terms of Sturmde's reasoning; the quantity of the Greek (or Latin) vowel has nothing to do with the traditional English pronunciation of classical names. Venus: short e in Latin, long in English. Ceres: short e in Latin, long in English. Rhea: epsilon in Greek, long e in English. Themis: epsilon in Greek, long e in English. Thetis: epsilon in Greek, long e in English. English vowel qualities depend upon stress and position, not the values of original Greek or Latin vowels. "Erris" will be "correct" when English-speakers start saying "Vennus" (or "wennoose") for "Venus". RandomCritic 19:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

As a UK person, I say "erris", not "eeris" Bluap 21:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure I get what RandomCritic was arguing (that the "correct" pronunciation isn't that of Greek?), but I'm Canadian, and I pronounce it air-is. And while there may be no survey, I'm guessing that that's the more common pronunciation in English. Lexicon (talk) 20:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)