Talk:Erie Canal

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[edit] Idle Title

I added an appropriate title. For7thGen 23:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone else find the part about homosexuals building canals to be a bit...speculative? --Er 04:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)



At the moment, these two sections contradict each other:

Although the canal was first proposed in i899 it was not commenced preperations for building. [in the introduction]

and

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Can anyone clear up the confusion? (I doubt that Jessie Hawley had the idea and then waited nearly a century to share it with Ellicott ;)]. fabiform | talk 20:47, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

"a series of legislation renamed the Barge Canal back to the Erie Canal, and its use was restricted to recreational traffic."

It's still used to carry barges occasionally. I don't know the status of the legislation, though. - Omegatron July 4, 2005 16:04 (UTC)

[edit] Lock and crossing listing

I have created a table to list all 34 locks, their locations, and lift.

Crossings were temporarily removed as the list was incomplete and unverifiable.

I have the code to replace crossings if anyone feels it is of value and would like to reinsert it.

[edit] Where'd My Work Go?

Gee, I spent a lot of time adding pages about the Erie Canal locks. I had pages for Locks E1 - E13, with photos, text, and a template on each page, with more work to do. Now they aren't even listed in the "Pages in category "Erie Canal"". My old link just redirects me to the main page. I see the Erie Canal crossings "Bridges" pages are still listed. The table with the lock lift doesn't give you much of a sense for what the locks look like or what's around them or the history involved. I'd be pleased to see that reinserted, otherwise I'd feel like all my time was spent for nothing. HCO. ([[User:128.113.107.4|128.113.107.4}})

If they were free-standing articles, it's possible they were deleted (in which case an administrator can probably recover them). Otherwise, it's possible they were moved (renamed), but in that case, an automatic redirect from old name (your chosen name) to the new name should have been created. If your work was an edit to an already-existing page, take a look at the page's "history" and see if you can find your work. Atlant 17:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
They were all redirected per an AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erie Canal Locks. Actually, the consensus was "merge and redirect," but no one has merged them yet. It's on my to-do list, but feel free to msg me if you want to get started on it.--Kchase02 T 22:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Request for Clarification

My congratulations to people who contributed to such a good article.

However, in the section Competition, its 3rd (and longest) paragraph ends with the words "; it (the Erie Canal) continued to compete well with the railroads through 1882, when tolls were abolished."
It's as though the (canal) tolls being abolished in 1882 had stopped the canal's competing well with the railroads. This does not make sense. If I were trying to clear it up, I would first verify that the railroads had charges which were NOT called tolls, while the canal charges WERE called tolls. If I'm wrong and the correct wording really is "when the railroad tolls were abolished", then please just insert the word railroad and the matter will be closed. My thanks to whomever knows about railroad tolls vs. canal tolls and clarifies the text. For7thGen 22:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate photos

The photo of Lock 32 at Pittsford is a nice one, but I question whether it should be duplicated in this entry for two different captions.

[edit] Tree stump puller diagram

The "tree stump puller" in the diagram seems unlikely. The horses are pulling a rope attached to an axel that is smaller in diameter than the wheel to which the chain is attached. If I understand the mechanics of it, this would make it harder to pull out the stump than simply attaching the rope to the stump directly. The diagram is also a rough pencil sketch. Is someone able to comment on the authenticity and suitability of the diagram? modify 13:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canal Section Terminus Error?

In the fourth paragraph of the Construction section, the canal's Eastern Section is described as running "from Rochester to Albany". I believe this should instead be "from Utica to Albany", since Rochester lies along the Western Section, between Syracuse and Buffalo. Thus:

Western Section - Buffalo to Syracuse MIddle Section - Syracuse to Utica Eastern Section - Utica to Albany

The canal profile diagram, which is referenced in the article, seems to indicate that Montezuma is the demarkation between the Western and Middle Sections. However, I cannot find confirmation of this and the Construction section is rather specific in describing Syracuse as this point of transition. Brooks.Peters 17:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization in section headings

See [1] which says it's not "Capitalization in Section Headings." Jim.henderson 03:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] West Shore Railroad

Interesting, that some anonymous editor thinks this particular railroad should not be mentioned, who keeps knocking it out and being reverted, and who hints at exasperation in his edit comments. He keeps on logging in from different addresses. Yet, neither he nor the rest of us have mentioned this persistent, sporadic, clueless but perhaps well meaning activity on the talk page. Anyway, here's his opportunity to discuss the question. Jim.henderson 06:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stuffed

2 things. First, the first ship (?) to transit the Canal was allegedly Seneca Chief. Verify & include? Second, & hinted at, was the economic effect: it moved the financial capital of the U.S. from Philadelphia to NYC. Verify & include? Trekphiler 12:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

The Seneca Chief was the name of the ceremonial boat that Gov. Clinton rode on during the Grand Celebration. I don't know if it was really the "first" boat to transit. Keep in mind that most of the Erie Canal was open and in use by boats before October 1825. They just finished the last segment that year. -A user

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