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This article was nominated for deletion on September 2, 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
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This article was nominated for deletion on June 17, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
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This article was nominated for deletion on January 15, 2006. The result of the discussion was speedy keep. |
[edit] Inappropriate Edits
Subjects of entries are highly subjective and should probably leave their stories to more dispassionate observers.
[edit] Sleep
I got to take Eric to his first Midnight Oil concert about 15 years ago, and the thing I remember most about him was the uncertainty whether he would actually join us. A major aspect of Eric's life, and of his research, is his mysterious sleep disorder. The Boston Globe (in an article already referenced in the Wikipedia article) quotes Eric on the topic. 12:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] CLAW-L
I am NOT fully enlightened on the CLAW-L statistical concept beyond the very brief description in the article. Anyone with knowledge of the industry or this specific statiscal concept is welcome to elaborate. Phantasmo 17:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
Article is off to a good start (I didn't know this guy existed), but needs sourcing, wikiformatting, etc. [1] will be a good start, if I don't get back here anytime soon... -- nae'blis (talk) 22:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] CLAW-L (cont.)
Phantasmo, you know CLAW-L very well. The Sox fan community is tired of your endless attempts to foist your alternative lobster analysis methodology off on the people of New England. Now you've taken to trolling Wiki? Knock it off, sir!
[edit] Why no mention of his cedar junction years
The Walpole Chronicles was one of his most enduring works, which essentially was the transitional period from the world of statistical analytical breakdown to he analysis of baseball. Most feel that it was sort of a kerouac meets bill james type work.
[edit] Re: My edits
I knocked this back to the version by User:Notorious4life because the anon's version of the page was basically patent nonsense. -Colin Kimbrell 17:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Why an article?
Why is this guy entitled to his own article? This resembles more of a personal homepage than a serious encyclopedic article. We don't give individual pages to every two-bit executive in the majors, do we? I think this article should be deleted.-66.254.235.11 04:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Why not?
The page apparently started as an in-joke (funny just once, alas). If someone can simply revert it to the last version edited by "Emvan", that's accurate. The rationale for an article about me (if there is one) is that I'm well-known in three completely different communities: baseball, science-fiction, and indie rock music. In theory, someone might be wondering if the "Eric Van" they encounter in one realm is the same guy. (If that's the rationale, I suppose I should add a brief "Other activities" section . . . but I'm a little squeamish about adding to my own bio, as opposed to deleting or correcting existing text. What's the etiquette? And what's the etiquette about saying, omigod, Kate Adams! on a page like this?)
[edit] ???
This page never says who Eric Van really is...only explains what he did and his affairs. SCHZMO ✍ 19:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Leave this page
Eric Van is definitely a note-worthy person, inasmuch as he provides hope to ordinary people who desire to be hired by a MLB team. He is an inspiration to all of us.
[edit] That Doesn't Make Him Notable
Being an employee of a major league ballclub doesn't make someone notable. How is the subject any more worthy of an article than the groundskeeper or a beer vendor?
Check the page history. The current article was written by the subject. It's essentially a vanity page. Prior to that, it was a joke page written by posters at a website frequented by the subject. Ivana Humpalot 14:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Or Maybe It Does
Looking at the Wikipedia standards for notability, I've been the primary (sole) subject of only one "non-trivial published work whose source is independent of the person," not mutiple, but it was a major one: a 2300-word story with large color photograph on the front page of the Living / Arts section of the Boston Globe. I also pass the Google test easily. My name is mentioned in half a dozen in-print books on three entirely different topics.
No, it's not a vanity page; I wouldn't have thought of creating it myself. But now that it's here, I do think it serves a purpose, and etiqutte notwithstanding I'm contemplating a few edits to include other relevant stuff mentioned in the Globe story. Much of the reason for the story's existence is my involvement in realms unrelated to my professional work. This is what Wikipedia does best. Emvan 17:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 2nd Deletion Nomination
Since this is a second deletion nomination, the AfD page is frozen for this entry. Here's what I'd put there:
Delete - Violates WP:BIO (no widely recognized contribution to any field) and WP:VAIN (current article was written by the subject). The latter creates intractable issues of NPOV.
The Globe article in question, which I've read, is a human interest profile, not a newsmaker profile. Thousands are written every year in daily newspapers, about everyone from skydiving grandmothers to the local Joe Schmo who bought an unrecognized treasure on eBay. Its existence does not make the subject/author of this entry notable.
[edit] Who is this guy?
I've been the subject of newspaper articles. Should I write my own bio to generate interest in my life? The guy is clearly not famous nor noteworthy, and his article is taking up bandwidth and memory that could be used to document truly fascinating events or people.
[edit] Laughable
That's what this article is. My favorite line: "where he was one of Elizabeth Bishop's penultimate group of poetry students." Should the other dozen in that group have their own Wikipedia pages, too? I may have to go over to Bishop's page and add a link to this one. After all, she did instruct the inimitable Eric Van!
[edit] Delete this
My name has been in newspapers .. can I have my own page too? pwetty pleaseeee??!!
You've gotta be kidding me. Delete this thing.
So you've organized one of the most-well known science fiction conventions in the country, written well-received rock criticism AND are employed by the Boston Red Sox? You've obviously lived a very full life. Stilgar135 21:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
