Talk:Eric Gagné

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Éric Gagné → Eric Gagné. Most sources use the unaccented "Eric Gagne", but "Eric Gagné" is also used. Here are some blog posts about whether his name has accents over it, which was all I could find on the subject. Nothing that says the E in Eric has one. Recury 18:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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[edit] Survey - in support of the move

• Support as nominator. Recury 18:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support move to Eric Gagne with no accents as that is how is name seems to be most often used in sports papers & reports. Blog posts are not the most reliable of sources. As a life long Dodgers fan, I will note that while many players have had accents and special characters on their uniforms, I never seen Gagne will an accent on anything. 205.157.110.11 22:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. Support from those two choices. As nominator says, "Most sources use the unaccented "Eric Gagne", but "Eric Gagné" is also used". So that is clearly the appropriate name. Sure, the current name is most clearly wrong, but do it right. At least make it a choice between the two reasonable alternatives, not between a really bad one and a marginal one. Gene Nygaard 22:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC) Changed 18:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey - in opposition to the move

• Oppose. Clearly "Gagne" is wrong; it should be "Gagné". Here's an image of his name on the back of his jersey and an image of the cover of his book. However, that book cover doesn't have an accent on "Éric". This is a tougher call. In French, the name is Éric, but it is very, very common to not put accents on capital letters, especially first letters. But in real, typeset text, the accents are mandatory. It depends on whether Wikipedia is informal or "professional." English-language publishers tend to drop all accents (as we've seen with José and café), so here are some links to French Canadian sites that all include the accents on both his first and last name: [2] [3] [4]. These aren't blogs, but newspaper and media publishers. FJM 09:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

  No, "Gagne" is clearly not wrong. It is quite legitimate and proper to use the English alphabet when writing in English. Or French when writing in French; you cite an article[5] which has many people at spellings different from the ones used in Wikipedia articles. For example, Danys Baez with no á, Armando Benitez with no í, and not only not an á but not even an é in Damaso Marte.

  The proper article name is the one under which he is best known in English. He is never, never known in English with an "É", so that's the only one which is clearly wrong. The others are a matter of picking an appropriate one from among legitimate choices. Gene Nygaard 18:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

  I have never seen him actually wear that jersey in a game. It maybe a special edition retail version but there are several retail versions that obviously don't have the accent too. I can take a picture of my son's but I don't think that is needed. 205.157.110.11 01:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

If anyone can find any good sources that discuss the accents in his name, then I will gladly change/withdraw the nomination. Recury 18:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Er, nevermind. A book he wrote lists his name as "Eric Gagné". That should be good enough. [6] Recury 18:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

For the record, this is how the article got where it is:

• The move from "Éric Gagné" to "Éric Gagné" was an unreferenced, undiscussed move on 21 January 2006 by New World Man (talk | contribs) with an edit summary that only said "added diacritics".

• Not only has New World Man not provided any discussion on this talk page, but has not edited any talk page since April of 2006, except to move talk pages as part of a whole lot of other unreferenced, undiscussed moves.

There is no reason whatsoever for you or anyone else to bust your ass off trying to give a post hoc justification to a bad move by some unresponsive editor like this. Gene Nygaard 22:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not, I'm just trying to figure out whether it should be at Gagne or Gagné. The cover of a book co-written by him would surely have the right accents, though. Recury 13:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.