Talk:EP

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[edit] Redirect?

I think we should change this page from a disambiguation page to a redirect to Extended Play. This is because most of the links to this page are for that article. What do you guys think? -EdGl 22:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The 4000+ links to European Parliament make me a little hesitant. I hope we can get a Europe-savy editor or two to let us know how often this abbreviation is used for it. D-Rock (Yell at D-Rock) 00:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I say go for it! BD2412 T 01:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

First of all EP should link to the European Parliament or a disambiguation page would also be a possibility. Extended Play is maybe more used or better know, it is not something important as a parliament. If a large number of pages now link wrong that's too bad I think, but nothing more. And there is a note on the top of the European Parliament page.

But I think we should put a link an the top of the page to Extended Play. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Allard (talk • contribs).

The key point here shouldn't be what is considered important, which is highly subjective,, but how EP is used, which can be more objective, especially when dealing with existing links in Wikipedia. The majority of uses of EP are intended to mean Extended play, and that's where the main redirect should be. -- ArglebargleIV 13:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

More importantly, we should consider the readers. If User X types "EP" into the search box and clicks "go," where does he expect to end up? I don't know the answer to that question, but think that EP should return to being a disambiguation page. —D-Rock 14:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The answer to that question is Extended play. People always refer to extended plays as EPs, and I have never seen anyone call it by its full name. I redirected EP to extended play because I was disambiguating the links to EP, and every single one of them was pointing to extended play. Trust me; I'm the one who tried to disambiguate all the links. There are hundreds of them, all linking to EP and all meaning extended play. Why should EP redirect to European Parliament? One can't expect to merely type in its initials and expect to find oneself at European Parliament. It will save a lot of work if we redirected this to extended play, and have to disambiguate a couple of links to european parliament rather than the other way around. This is a no brainer in my opinion. I would prove it to all of you by going through all of the links, but that would defeat the purpose. —EdGl 19:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone changed this back to a disambiguation page and I responded on his talk page. I suppose it's okay for the time being, until we reach consensus. —EdGl 23:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Do let me point out that EP is very common to use for the European Parliament in Europe. The EP is the European Parliament. And as I said it is a parliament and extended play is merely a type of music record. Allard 1 July 2006

I figured that EP is used to stand for European Parliament. Anyway, the parliament may be more "important", but extended play is wider used and there are more links directing to it. It would be more work to disambig all the links to extended play than to disambig them to European Parliament. See what I'm saying? —EdGl 17:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Here we come to the biggest problem of Wikipedia. What is important. On Wiki their are whole articles on for instance fictional characters from TV shows. As where many real historical persons bio's stubs. There has to be a clear and hard order of what is most important. In this case it is a bit less clear so I would say Disambugation. Allard 1 July

When I was disambiguating links not a one was for European Parliament. All were for extended play. But if this stays a disambiguation page and I have to do a whole lot more work, then so be it. I'm just disappointed that nobody else is helping us reach consensus. We can't go on 2 or 3 opinions, especially disagreeing ones. —EdGl 19:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Until some agreement is reached, it is only logical for EP to remain a disambiguation page. I would argue that although EP is most commonly used to stand for Extended play, it can not hurt to leave EP as a disambiguation page. However, I would also support the effort to redirect EP directly to Extended play because (as User:EdGl said) the term "extended play" is never used... people always say "EP." --taestell 02:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• I believe that Extended Play is the more common term used by Wikipedians, HOWEVER, I think that outsiders aren't necessarily looking for it. Even if they are looking for extended play, I think it is just to find out what EP stands for so the definition on the disambig page shoudl suffice. I think leave it as a disambig page, as much as an issue it will be for those of us who work disambig maintenance. I've never done disambig work on EP, when it's put into an article on an album, is it on a template? If so, can we somehow set the template to automatically make EP direct to Extended play? I'm not technical when it comes to templates, but it anyone can figure out a way to work that, that could help. Otherwise, my only suggestion would be to enlist some people on some of the Wiki music projects to lend a hand. Metros232 16:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to say that I've never heard of the European Parliament being referred to as "EP" either here in the UK or in any of the literature I've read (I'm currently studying for an MA in International Studies). Given the fact that almost all (possibly all) the links to this page are aimed at Extended Play, and it's highly unlikely that anybody searching for the European Parliament would search for "EP" rather than "European Parliament" then a redirect to Extended Play would be the best option UNLESS those arguing against the redirect can provide some compelling evidence that EP is a common shorthand for the European Parliament.--Daduzi ^talk 16:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) When I work on disambiguating "EP" throughout Wikipedia, I find that the problem sentence reads something like this: "The Last Goodbye is an EP by Edison Glass." I have done a lot of link disambiguation, and so far not one has linked to European Parliament. I'm willing to continue disambiguating this page if it comes down to that, but is it necessary? Like I said before, it would be easier to just redirect it to extended play. Personally, I think a redirect to extended play and then on the top of extended play put ""EP" redirects here. For the parliament in Europe, see European Parliament. For other uses, see EP (disambiguation)." That wouldn't hurt, would it? —EdGl 16:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

That works for me. Like I said, I've never worked disambig redirection on EP, so I wasn't sure where EP was appearing in the article on the albums. So I think your proposal is a good one since it appeases the Euro Parliament supporters while helping us out in disambig work. All they'll need to do is click in the dab line, which is the same step they'd have to take if it was on the disambig page. Metros232 16:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

...which will save a crapload of work for me :-) Does anyone oppose this? —EdGl 17:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard EP used for the European Parliament (I am from the US though). On seeing EP, I immediately think Extended Play, and so the above solution of a redirect/dab line seems like a good one to me. --Mbell 14:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

This is wrong EP should and only can link to a disambugation. Maybe more wiki links that link to EP are ment to link to extende play, but the European Parliament is more important. So only a disambugation is a good solution. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Allard (talk • contribs) 12:23, 3 August 2006.

Can you perhaps give some examples of EP being used to refer to the European Parliament in a major source to show that this is common usage? If not, and given that you are the only editor objecting, I think this should be made into a redirect to Extended Play, with a disambiguation notice at the top of that article. Also, please note that Wikipedia:Naming Conventions makes no mention of how "important" a subject is, only which usage is more common and/or more likely to be searched for, and please sign your comments by adding --~~~~ to the end. --Daduzi ^talk 13:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Come on Allard, why are you fighting a perfectly good compromise? The tag atop the Extended Play article should be quite enough and there should be no problems for those typing "EP" and expecting "European Parliament". Let's put it to rest; it's already been about a month of arguing. —EdGl 16:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The European Parliament is often named EP within the EU. And the European Parliament is an international important institution. Where extended play is merely a type of record. It would just not be logical to not make EP a disambugation page while so many two letter combinations on Wikipedia are.

User:Allard posted August 4 2006 14:00 CET

Again, do you have examples of EP being used to refer to the European Parliament that would show it is common usage? And, again, it doesn't matter which name is "more important" only which is more common. You might benefit from reading Wikipedia:Naming conventions to better understand how naming works on Wikipedia. Unless you can provide some kind of evidence that EP is commonly used to refer to the European Parliament and, more importantly, that EP is as commonly used, or almost as commonly used, to refer to the European Parliament as it is to Extended Play then I can't see any valid reason not to redirect this page to Extended Play. --Daduzi ^talk 12:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright an example. Almost always Dutch newpapers call the European Parliament EP. Sometimes the first mentioning in an article is the full name. I have also seen this in media of other EU countries. And I do not want to appear euro-centered. But just because the European Parliament is very unknown in the rest of the world, this does not mean Wikipedia should work like that. Not always the majority of votes should decide but we should chose to do that how Wikipedia should be. Logical and more important things should come before the less important things eventhough it maybe mentioned more often in Wikipedia

User:Allard ] posted August 4 2006 18:42 CET

I'm not doubting what you're saying, but I'd rather have an example online so the rest of us can see how it's used. And I'm just going to have to repeat again that importance is a very subjective thing and isn't a reason for choosing article names. "Use Common names" is part of Wikipedia:Naming Conventions, "Use the most important object" is not. --Daduzi ^talk 19:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Allard, what is wrong with "EP redirects here. For the parliament in Europe, see European Parliament." at the top of the Extended play article? Either way it'll take the same number of clicks to get to European Parliament.. —EdGl 20:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)