Talk:Ender's Game

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Archive 1 (August 2002-November 2006)

Contents 1 Vandalism 2 WOW 3 Children of the Mind 4 Infobox 5 References 6 Mormonism 7 Criticism section 8 Ender Will Save Us All

[edit] Vandalism

This page has been vandalized at least twice, most recently on 1/31/07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Ice Inside (talk • contribs) 12:39, 31 January 2007.

You'll find that's not too unusual for most articles on Wikipedia. Thank you for correcting the problem, however! -- Antepenultimate 20:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WOW

As I said on ender's characters the batttles they play in Battle school is like Ghost Recon, and Navy Seals. User:F J

[edit] Children of the Mind

Why isn't there a article on the last book? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.160.129.109 (talk)

Children of the Mind QueenStupid 15:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I just spent some time completing and tweaking the infobox - any edition-specific information now reflects the first edition (as is preffered). I also replaced the image - actually reverting it back to what it was before, apparently, at least according to the image's previous edit summary and caption here. It appears somebody went in for some reason and replaced what was the first hardback edition image (preffered) with some random later edition paperback - and then failed to change the caption, still claiming it to be the first edition. Also, the image was completely unsourced and technically in danger of being deleted at any time anyway. I've fixed all that. I've also moved the "plot warning" template to the top of the page, as it is worded to be placed as such if need be. It was causing quite an ugly whitespace gap (especially after I expanded the infobox). Really, I'm not sure if that warning is totally justified (the summary is a tad long, but looks to be well written and this is a fairly important novel), but I don't think that's for me to decide. -- Antepenultimate 00:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I would want the plot warning. The summary is a spoiler. Una Smith 22:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

For references, are we allowed to cite the book the article's about? --Cheeesemonger 13:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Apparently we are. It would be nice if someone who had the book would do that. I just have it on tape. --Cheeesemonger 13:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mormonism

I see that this article has been categorized as "Portrayals of Mormons in Popular Media". Now I know Orson Scott Card is himself a Mormon, but beyond that, I don't remember anything having to do with Mormonism in this novel, but it's been a very long time since I read it. Can anybody shed some light on this? If the only connection to Mormonism is the religious orientation of the author, I don't think this article should be included in that category. Thanks -- Antepenultimate 17:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Ender's parents disobeyed the state by having more than two children. I gather that having many children is an important aspect of this religion. Ender's family seems Mormon in other respects as well, although this is not stated explicitly. (Why borrow trouble?) See also Speaker for the Dead. Una Smith 22:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it is said that Ender's mother, Theresa Wiggin, is Mormon and his father, John Paul Wiggin is a Roman Catholic. Ausir 03:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The father's catholicism is made explicitly clear in the prequels, but I cannot remember it being stated anywhere that his mother is a mormon. Raul654 03:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't it stated in Teacher's Pest? Ausir 08:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the book states that his parents are ordered by the State to have another child (Ender) because their two previous children were close to what they wanted, but not close enough. You may have felt this was them breaking the law because the book also states that having more than two children is considered wrong and innapropriate due to the law and population control.

Ender's parents were indeed ordered by the state to have a "third". Further, it is briefly mentioned in this book that both his Catholic father and Mormon mother renounced their respective religions, because they were ashamed that their families were "non-compliant" (had more than two children). One character states as fact that the feelings Ender's parents have towards their respective religions are ambiguous, despite the fact that they both refuse to admit where they were born (Poland and Utah), lest people suspect their family to be non-compliant. So, one character in this book is mentioned to come from a Mormon family, but hides that fact for fear of persecution. While not a central theme to the book, I imagine it has some significance to Mormons. I'd suggest that that would qualify as Mormon depiction. Temple 10:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

That's a point of trivia rather than a significant factor in the book. I really don't think Ender's grandparents being Mormon merits inclusion in the category. (In contrast to many of OSC's other books.) Scott.wheeler 23:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism section

The criticism section isn't really explicitly criticism, it's merely stating a fact about the book. Unless you consider "moralistic" to be intrinsically a criticism... I'm going to remove it for now, though it probably deserves its own section eventually, describing the "Moral Philosophy" of the book. Timbatron 16:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ender Will Save Us All

I think I am going to remove the reference to the "Ender Will Save Us All" song, as that song really has nothing to do with the book (apparently it was named this way due to the lead singer's name being Ender). Thoughts? enderminh 23:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)