User talk:Emerman

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New Visitors to Wikipedia: leave messages here about something I've edited or a question you have by clicking the + tab at the top of the page, or else email me via my wiki email if I continue to keep one. (I'm having to change my email address that I was previously using due to spam attacks and I'm not sure what I'll change it to at present or if I'll keep an email address.) I archive this page every few months or when the page gets cluttered, but you can see old discussions at the above archive links.

Please see the History file here for the most recent discussions. They will be archived later.

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[edit] Going off line

I have to get things done in my life now. If someone needs my attention, please drop me a note in email via my wiki email box. Thank you. I am putting away my library books on the Morocco topics and do not have time to think about it again. I have serious things at home that must be attended to immediately that have been put off the past week by the distractions here and I have to put this aside, as much as I care about wikipedia. I wish I had more time but I don't. Bye.

I hope re: MMOJ articles that all sentences will have sources cited for their info and be precisely worded. The articles we have in the References list have much information and more articles can be found in the library. I would have gone and gotten some more books and articles but the talk pages began to take too much time so I've now done all I have time to do. Just please be precise about info spread in the encyclopedia and find sources for the sentences used. If something isn't verified in another article, then take it out if it only is a piece of info existing only in Wikipedia. It maybe something we got from a talk page conversation or someone's edits from a year ago off the top of their head instead of proper sourcing otherwise. Emerman 03:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Note: I mentioned I would like to go offline. However if people continue addressing me on talk pages I will have to keep coming back in here. I hope people will leave me out of the debates at the talk pages so I can stay offline. Thanks. Emerman 02:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Also if people take the opportunity of my leaving to make non-neutral edits, I will have to go in as well. It looks like people are doing that on occasion and I might need to at least add footnotes to improve what I started before I leave it. Emerman 17:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] concern about anonymous IPs

FayssalF, please notice if there are anonymous IP vandalisms occurring at the jajouka or related pages. A few days ago I stopped editing articles, which means I don't look at the things any more to revert vandalisms by people taking people's names out. I saw in my watch list that Jonur had possibly had to revert another anon IP edit recently (the edit description said so in my watchlist for jajouka) and I had to do that same thing a couple of days ago before I quit editing. My concern is that I will be mistaken for the anonymous IP people who do things like take Hamri or frank's band out of the jajouka village page. Clearly they both belong in there.

My edit history displays that among my final article edits (as opposed to talk page edits) I reverted anonymous IP edits made at the village article my reversions reinstated references to Hamri and frank's band only a couple of days ago before I stopped editing. If you don't semi-protect, then I am afraid someone will mistake me for anonymous IPs since I had removed myself from editing articles two or so days ago.

I don't want to have to come back in and start editing articles to prevent vandalism. So please semi-protect anything related with anonymous IP problems. Otherwise notate that I requested it and leave me out of whatever goes on in there. Emerman 03:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Emerman. No worries, i am keeping an eye to maintain NPOV and accuracy. Just set you email account on in case we'd contact you. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 09:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, I hope you or a pleasant, courteous, disinterested party will do mediation at the MMOJ page articles, rather than non-admin novices. I don't want to have my stress levels up so that i have to go to a doctor. You have not made me feel stressed in your dealings with me and if you are too busy I hope you find good admins to help everyone there. The comments to me I've noticed lately in the debate page have been upping my stress level but I'll see if I can help the person understand where I'm coming from. I'd like to not have to keep logging in here. Emerman 03:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Followup -- please note that you are the person who asked to have any needed changes in the MMOJ articles discussed on the issue of seeking consensus in the MMOJ articles. As yet no one has had a chance to discuss what facts need to change. I do not accept the non-admin novice user creating arguments with me in there as mediator; he is combative and a mediator is not. Presumably mediators bow out if not accepted unanimously. You are an admin. You are the person who asked to achieve consensus, so please continue with your work or designate an admin (not a novice, combative person). The only two people who need to cool down now are me and "tuathal" until you notice anyone else arguing - no one else is arguing. The rest of them should discuss what changes need making (if they can find where to do it) and seek consensus with you on the changes or edit them without further interruptions. If people don't have any facts they want changed in a few weeks then tags would be irrelevant and need removing. I have no interest being in the eventual article changes consensus debate if we ever see a debate other than me and T bantering about cooldowns relevant only to himself and me. If everyone else is also quiet for 2 weeks fine, but the others have nothing to cool down about. Emerman 08:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The NPOV and accuracy templates are not set to remain forever on articles. Normally, after a period of a couple of weeks, if nobody discusses the issues at the talk pages, tags and templates get removed. So no worries about that. I'll do my best. I'll also ask for an admin help if needed. I hope you get well soon. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 09:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

No need to duplicate this here. I replied at your page that everything will be up to you guys, and to give people enough time, and you can reply to that comment there if reply is needed. New threads to me can start below however but I'd like to not log in again if possible. Emerman 14:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stub definition

Hi Emerman - you are right that a long article does not necessarily mean a completed article... but an incomplete article does not make something a stub. A stub is an article which has only the barest overview of a opic, and often has less than that. In the case of the master musicians articles (both the Jajouka one and the joujouka one) there is far too much information on the topic for the article to really be considered a stub.

The definition of stub does point out that lngth is not the only criterion used in determining an article's status, but it is a major factor, especially when the relative importance of an article is taken into consideration. An article of the length of Master Musicians of Jajouka might be considered a stub if it was an article on an entire country, for instance, but not if it was on a smaller topic. if you feel that any particular section of the article is still wanting, such as on the lore of the subject, then the correct thing to do is add {{sectstub}} to a section with that as its heading. That will indicate that one particular section of the article still needs work, despite the article itself being more than a stub. If there are other problems with the article such as disputes, then there are a whole range of different cleanup templates which can be used to mark the topic, such as {{disputed-section}}. Furthermore, there is a template {{expansion}}, which is primarily for use in cases where an article is no longer a stub but still needs work. A stub is only one kind of article that needs work - these articles, though they may still need work, are not of that kind but of another kind entirely.

Hope that helps, Grutness...wha? 03:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh. The curse of the wikipedian. Sounds like you've got the "obsessive-compulsive editor bug" like quite a few of the rest of us. Good luck with sorting out the article, the templates, and with the house move! Grutness...wha? 05:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question about plurals of linked words

I noticed that Smackbot changed a word where we had the | pipe symbol in a wiki link such that the word after the pipe symbol was plural and Smackbot changed the format to remove the pipe symbol and pluralized word after it and simply made it a singular linked word with an "s" after the link closed. Is that current approved style? It doesn't look as good as the way it was prior to Smackbot's change. Please provide guidance. Thanks. Emerman 04:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, yes this is preferred style Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)#Form. Most people think it's easier to read. Rich Farmbrough, 10:51 31 January 2007 (GMT).
Ok, thanks. It looks like this copying of entire threads from page to page is the current vogue way too now. I've now seen three people do that. I thought I was just supposed to reply at the person's page. Anyway, I'll remember the plural method now on links. I think people used to change it the other way in years gone by. Emerman 13:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

Hi Emerman. Please do not use the word vandalism when it is not as you did at this revert. You did the right thing when you sourced that later but please avoid using vandalism when unsourced info are removed sometimes. Cheers. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 16:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I explained my concern about the edit previously on a talk page and it appeared to be the proper term under the circumstances. However, I will try to use other terms whenever possible for such situations. Side note: I am annoyed I am having to keep working on these articles due to apparent non-neutrality of people involved in editing them since I left. I will at least try to give some proper footnotes to help people get the articles better. Once the articles have footnotes, I'll probably remove tags I added. In the footnoting process we may decide certain sentences won't belong any more (although more info might), and I will keep NPOV and harmony at the forefront. I would like however to pack and move; I have family members affected by my being delayed and they sometimes comment to me about my loss of time on wikipedia. Thanks for the info on "vandalism". Emerman 17:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I understand your lack of time to dedicate to editing :) -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 18:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll not paste both your question and my reply here this time :) I personally do that in order to facilitate the reading of the threads for me and for anyone who'd read my talkpage. There's no guideline re the issue. If you have noticed my User:FayssalF/ArchivesBox on top of my talkpage you'll understand that it is up to the user. Some users prefer to reply on their talkpages instead. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 18:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Back to "offline" if possible

Assuming people will leave me alone I do expect to not come in here again other than to eventually archive my page weeks from now. I have stated my concerns elsewhere on the last thing I was working on. If I am endlessly replied to, I'll have to return, but I really can't stand logging in here any more and I need to pack, including taking my computer and packing it in a box. If necessary, I will reply but I'm finished editing the articles on MMOJ. I cannot deal with that, ups my blood pressure. The MMOJ articles are a matter that should only be edited by experienced, neutral admins. People who've been involved in writing the articles here on the subject, including anonymous IPs, all need to be not involved any more, nor do I want to be. The situation involves Wikipedia's credibility. I've gotten to where I don't want to look here any more. Also my email address has changed. Use the Email This User button because the old address is gone. I would prefer to just log in once more to archive here in a few weeks. Emerman 22:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trying to finish up footnotes

I did get a bit done on footnotes finally so as to not have that drag out too long. I also realized I had misread a Ranaldo article and it was not having problems I thought it had when I read it too hastily before. Anyway, I'll try to finish footnotes and get outa here...Emerman 06:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I found some interesting articles to read: Schuyler article in a larger book and also a Christgau article he referenced. I have read these items but have not had time to process them because I have been doing a lot today. I think there are more ways for me to look at all this MMOJ stuff now though. Sorry I didn't get to finish my footnotes on the BJ Presents P of P album article I started trying to improve last night. I knew when I stopped working on it I had a lot more left to do though including probably having less description in the B.A. reference. I might look at it a second but I can't do much tonight to work on that. Emerman 03:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Getting notes in order

Apologies, I have been getting my notes in order (aside from non wikipedia chores). I have located a number of good articles on MMOJ, including a Schuyler article from 1983 in Natural History, besides the later one from Mass Mediations. And a number of other good items. Will look in at the articles soon with an eye to npov and finishing footnoting. Have tons more articles in a file now. Emerman 05:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brian Jones Presents The Pipes of Pan at Jajouka

Thanks for your message. I left the "The" capitalised because it looks to me as though "The Pipes of Pan at Jajouka" is the title of the work, and "Brian Jones Presents" has been tacked on to the front (mainly for marketing purposes, I suspect). That's usually (though not always) the case with "So-and-so Presents..." titles. The album cover confiorms this (it's in small caps, with capitalisation given by larger caps; "The" is capitalised, but not "of" or "at"). It's something that might be dicussed at the Talk page, I suppose. Looking at the Rate Your Music page, they do the same, except that one of the three issues has a colon inserted — I don't know why. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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