Talk:Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University

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Here are some tasks you can do: Requests: Pictures of some of some other notable buildings on D.B. campus, such as the Student Center. (Preferably, take these yourself on a clear day and upload them under a free license.) Verify: Make sure there are no broken external links. Cleanup: Verify that the article follows the Manual of Style. Expand: Prescott, preferably images. (see above); Costs? Stubs: John P. Johnson Update: Once Spring semester starts, update all the numbers such as enrollment, housing, etc.; Update this list as things get done! NPOV: Some areas need to sound less advertisement-ish.
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Contents 1 Mckay Motel 2 University? 2.1 Doctoral Program 3 Differences between Daytona and Prescott 4 Prescott? 5 Let's improve the article! 6 GA 7 Pictures

at the moment i'm a bit tipsy from lack of sleep, so forgive me for the writing quality . i'll try to revise it later, when i am more than semi-conscious. mnemonic 19:14, 2004 May 28 (UTC)

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I'm a current (though soon to be former) ERAU student, I'll try to add a goodly amount of new content (with pics) here soon. mnemonic 22:48, 2004 May 23 (UTC)

[edit] Mckay Motel

Hah.. I always thought it was a converted motel. Ah well...my bad. --Miketwo 17:40, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

mckay ruled. just saying.. ✈ James C. 02:55, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] University?

I don't agree that ER and other flying-oriented colleges are as strong in engineering as traditional engineering schools. Flight training is a vocational endeavor, and should not be counted towards academic credit. In most cases, it will be less expensive for you to learn to fly at a local airport's flight school. Also, study a real academic discipline, such as engineering, physics, mathematics, etc. Don't study such things as "Aviation Business Management", etc. which are popular at flying colleges. It is very hard to become an airline pilot because of intense competition and the general state of the airline industry today, and you need to have a viable academic/marketable skill on which to fall back.

Not really the place to discuss it, but Riddle's Engineering program is top notch, it's hard to compare it to some of the top engineering schools because of the lack of a Doctoral program, but rather good. I do agree that Riddle does have some BS programs, and that the Aviation Science Degree program is very vocational. But the Riddle flight experience, may not be the best place to learn for all students, but it does clue you into the very structured flying life that one would see at a major airline. I don't agree that should be a pilots only experience, because there are other skills used more in recreational flying that do come in handy when flying professionally. But this isn't the best place to discuss this. PPGMD 16:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

A true "University" has doctoral programs and conducts a significant amount of externally-sponsored research with published results. I don't think Embry-Riddle meets those definitions (at least not the first one). I have never met an E-R graduate in any of my clients' organizations. And yes, I agree with the first commenter- flight training and aircraft technician training are not academic pursuits and should not count for degree credit. - Michael S., PhD, Commercial pilot (airplane multiengine and instrument)/ aircraft owner, Consulting Engineer (Avionics and Communications)

Micheal: Have you ever been to an ERAU campus or are you merely professing opinion based upon incomplete information? ~--Foghorn 15:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Foghorn- I am merely stating a fact- I've never worked with an engineer who was a graduate of E-R, and I am simply agreeing with the other statement regarding academic subjects. The definition of a university that I quoted was one that has been traditionally applied by academia, state education departments, and the Carnegie Foundation for Higher Education in its classification of institutions of higher learning.

Having been to to the University of Bologna I can attest that they too have progressed with redefining standards since the middle ages. Glad we aren't following those original 'traditions'; but I am left pondering what other degree programs have arisen over the decades as a result of developing technologies. In my view Aeronautical Science is an amalgamation of an array of disciplines: meteorology, physics, mathmatics, aerodynamics, human factors, physiology, and yes, professionsl pilot training. Just as we want a physician to study medicine, physiology, biology, etc., shouldn't we have the same expectations for a person responsible the health and safety of hundreds of fellow humans each day? ~ Foghorn 20, Feb 2006

Foghorn: I do agree about how you say that ERAU is certainly not going to match an engineering school's level of research and innovation, or establish a similarly intelligent student base, but for an undergraduate level, I must say that much of this is likely to be moot point. Go to a large university and most of the undergraduate teaching curriculum is conducted in large auditoriums by poor graduate students rather than research professors. There is so much to the Aerospace engineering field that not much more than broad overview is possible in the span of four years. I have not observed any significant disparity in job placement, it is not unusual for an ERAU student to get good placement at a major defense contractor. And ever more so today, job placement really isn't coming down to a plain bachelor's degree anymore.

[edit] Doctoral Program

This point is now being worked on by ERAU as the College of Engineering is now developing and planning to implement a Doctoral Program for AE. As for AS, I agree with Foghorn. The diversity of training which the pilots recieve is very academic in nature to include meteorology, calclulus, aerodynamics, psychology, etc. The only difference is that instead of Engineering projects, or the like, they have a "Flight Block" where, for several hours a day, fly and in doing so compile and apply what they have been learning in the classroom. I must say I would feel a lot better knowing a Pilot came from ERAU than from "Bob's Flight Training Int'l". Just a thought. Longbowe 15:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Differences between Daytona and Prescott

Make sure to emphasize which facts pertain only to the Daytona campus, the Prescott campus, or both. Clarity is the key when writing about mnultiple campuses in the same article. --Zsinj^Talk 00:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The external links should be broken into three categories, "Daytona Campus", "Prescott Campus", and possibly "Extended Campus" if applicable.

Done. --Zsinj^Talk 03:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prescott?

Does anyone have any pictures of Prescott? Longbowe 14:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I took the Daytona pictures (most of them) myself. If anyone is from Prescott and has a camera, snap a few pictures of the prominent buildings on that campus. :-) Zsinj^Talk 17:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I got plenty more Daytona Pictures, especially of Lehman, oh do I love that building, but yes we need Prescott Pics. Longbowe 18:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let's improve the article!

Mostly, Wikipedia:What is a good article?. Getting the ERAU article up to GA status would really be nice. Anyone want to help? Zsinj^Talk 17:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm in! If you need anything just ask. Longbowe 18:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

So I will definitely have time this week to help improve our article so check back and give me some feedback. Longbowe 02:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Right now I am in contact with the Attorney of Embry-Riddle regarding use of the logo and seal. More on that when it comes. Longbowe 23:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Unless the University will release those images under the GFDL or a similarly free license (which I doubt), you will have to make an argument for fair use of the images. That's usually not a problem for logos, but seals are more problematic. -- Donald Albury 13:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I copied over the rationale used on the previous logo we had on the article. Zsinj^Talk 16:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I've written new copy for the "History" section. It is available at User:Farside6 for comments and additions. If there are no objections, I will replace the current history section with the new text after 12:01 p.m. EST Monday, December 25, 2006. Farside6

Wow, that's awesome. Feel free to put it into the main article sooner if you wish. Zsinj^Talk 16:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA

I ran across this article and saw that it was a GA nominee. According to WP:MOS, headings should not start with "the" and only the first word of section headings should be capitalized unless it is a proper noun. According to WP:FN, footnotes should follow punctuation with no space. After some cleanup, it strikes me as a "good article."

If you plan to submit this to WP:FAC someday, the lead will need to be longer, probably three paragraphs summarizing the entire article. Also, avoid using inline links and footnotes together. (I've removed one inline link and converted another to a footnote.) The "Costs" section is rather short and might be expanded, or merged with another section like degrees. The residence hall sections are a bit detailed and sound like a recruitment brochure, and might be summarized/reduced further. Gimmetrow 03:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

What buildings do you all think would be good? If you can make me a list I'll go ahead and get some pics soon. Longbowe 08:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Given the, shall I say, damaged look of the DB campus at the moment, we can hold off on those for now. I'd love to find someone at Prescott to upload some pictures though. Those sections are lacking. :-( Zsinj^Talk 05:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)