Talk:Elmet

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Elmet is also a noted contruction firm in Romania

[edit] 616 query

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• In 616 it is reported in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle that the exiled brother of King Edwin of Northumbria was poisoned at the court of King Ceretic ap Gwallog. Edwin resolved to punish Elmet for this "crime" and his forces quickly invaded the beleaguered British territory. Within the year Elmet was overrun and Ceretic fled into exile in Gwynedd where he would die two years later.

I have a book which contains a full variorum English translation of all versions of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, and it contains no reference to this event under year 616. Anthony Appleyard 19:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It's in Bede (HE, IV, xxiii, On the life and death of the Abbess Hilda) that we learn that Hild(a)'s father Hereric was poisoned at the court of Cerdic "king of the Britons". Higham, Kingdom of Northumbria, table on p. 80, puts Hereric's death c. 604. Paint me cynical, but if that date is correct, I'd be inclined to think it was Æthelfrith's doing. On the other hand, Barbara Yorke, Kings and Kingdoms of Early Anglo-Saxon England, table on p. 76, dates Hereric's death c. 613. Ceretic died c. 616 according to the dating in the Annales Cambriae, making the current version impossible. It appears to be derived from Kessler, who paraphrases Nennius (lxiii): "Edwin, son of Ælle, reigned 17 years. He occupied Elmet and expelled Ceretic, king of that country." Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: Nick Higham (An English empire, The Kingdom of Northumbria) takes the view that the easiest way to solve the chronological problems is to assume that an x escaped somewhere in the copying of the Annales Cambriae and that Ceretic map Gwallog died in 626 rather than 616. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)