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[edit] Script?

I think it would be fair use to include a text transcript of the ad in the article. Other ad commentary sites include full text. Frankie

"I was writing a paper on the PC, and it was, like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. And then, like, half of my paper was gone. And I was, like, huh? It devoured my paper. It was a really good paper. And then I had to do it again and I had to do it fast so it wasn't as good. It's kind of a bummer."

[edit] Movie

Ellen Feiss is apparently doing a movie called "Bed and Breakfast" according to ellenfeiss.net, on the entry dated January 11th, 2006. Can any find anymore sources on this?

[edit] High School Grad

Is she still a high school student? She'd be a senior or graduated by now. -User;Carie

[edit] Television

I'm pretty sure this commercial never aired on television and was only on Apple's website. —User:ACupOfCoffee@ 07:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Then you'd be wrong. I remember it well from the boob tube. - unsigned

[edit] Error Diagnosis Removal

I removed this from the entry, it is really unnecessary:

(The incident she describes in the commercial is presumably an operating system crash which prevented the keyboard buffer from being read, causing it to fill up. The BIOS on personal computers will often cause the motherboard's speaker to beep with every keystroke when the keyboard buffer is full.)

Etan 02:27, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Egad, what an overdose of geek! (Not to mention unwarranted speculation.) 82.92.119.11 00:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music?

Does anyone know the name of the music in the background? It seems awfully familiar.--SeizureDog 02:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

According to Apple Switch ad campaign, it's "Spit" by John Murphy. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 07:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Drops the Call"

There has recently been a series of Cingular ads that feature someone remarkably similar in appearance to feiss complaining that a network has dropped her call. Just giving the heads-up so that someone less lazy than I to deal with. 71.107.7.189 01:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you know if any of these commercials are online? GagHalfrunt 14:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
This is one of them - http://www.outtacontext.com/life/images/cingul@r.html -, but I believe the one in particular is the one with a girl standing in front of a library with a bucket umbrella talking about her gossiping when the network died. 70.35.227.160 04:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, that's her. You can tell by the tie.Everett3 01:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age at time of commercial

In her interview on Flux Radio, Ellen says "When I finished the switch campaign, I was 14". Our article, however, says that she was 15. Kaldari 16:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the age to 14, since I imagine that 15 was a guess based on her year of birth. Where did we get her year of birth, BTW? Kaldari 16:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Unless someone can come up with a reference for Feiss' year of birth, it should probably be removed per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Kaldari 00:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I've originally seen her birth year as circa 1988. Someone had removed the "circa" and changed it to 1987, like, a long time ago. —pink moon1287 12:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Here, in a comment dated "July 1st 2006", it quotes an article saying she is 19, so she couldn't have been born any later than '87. This is also in accordance with the recent addition to her wikipedia article saying that she's a second year student. Davemcarlson 18:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Feiss said in her Flux interview that she spent the whole of the 2005-2006 academic year in France. Bed and Breakfast was filmed in September 2005 so she had to delay college for a year, but the director arranged for her to do an internship at the Magnum photo agency in Paris, making it worthwhile for her to take a year off. The interview comes from the July 27th 2006 episode of the Flux's podcast, and the interviewer states that she was in France at the time. Therefore, if she's at college now she's a freshman.--GagHalfrunt 00:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

On here website she says she is graduating college this year. Unless she went to college at 14 this would be a hard thing to do being born in 1988, she is at A&M also on her website. So the year she was born should be deleted in my opinion

I wasn't aware she had a website. Could you give a link to it? The sourcing in the article so far indicates she was fourteen when the commercial aired. Hm, maybe you are talking about the owner/maintainer of ellenfeiss.net, who is graduating from Texas A&M. --Chan-Ho (Talk) 05:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop deleting the links

Just because you don't think they are useful doesn't mean that no one else does, Kaldari. The Soundbytes link is one of the best Ellen Feiss pages out there (I've looked all over for them). It deserves a mention just as much as the other fan site. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

If they remove the Amazon affiliate links I will gladly re-add the page. Otherwise I consider it spam (especially since it was added by the site's owner himself). Kaldari 00:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Affiliate links do not make a site a "commercial" site. Even if it does, every newspaper and network site out there has ads up the wazoo, so ads are not a valid reason for discounting a site. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Being a "commercial" site is not what Wikipedia cares about. It only cares about self-promotion. I.e., self-promotion is spam no matter if the site is non-profit, personal, or commercial. —Saxifrage ✎ 21:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Note that Wikipedia:External_links#What_to_link_to in the section "Links to be normally avoided" lists as item 4: "Links that are added to promote a site, that primarily exist to sell products or services, with objectionable amounts of advertising, or that require payment to view the relevant content, colloquially known as external link spamming."
The site in question doesn't appear to be designed primarily to sell stuff, have objectionable amounts of advertising, or require payment for viewing. Note in particular that it is not advertising per se that is bad, but having an "objectionable amount"; as observed previously, newspaper sites and other very informative sites often have advertising. As for self-promotion, perhaps it was originally self-promotion, but when another editor (unaffiliated with the site) adds back the link on the basis of its relevance and utility, the "self-promotion" objection is no longer valid. Removing a useful link on the basis that it was at some point in the past added by the site's creator doesn't make sense. If you want to argue it's not a useful link, that's a different matter, but the arguments given here so far for removal are not convincing. --Chan-Ho (Talk) 03:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Right. I was under the impression that the OP was the link-adder.
As a side note, utility is actually not the best way of considering whether a link should be in an article, and arguing about it here will cause a lot of consternation. Note that WP:EL has a very narrow range for what are "good" links that doesn't actually overlap very much with a more general concept of "useful". This point is where many people get confused about the policy: people argue what's useful for some people or not, forgetting that Wikipedia isn't supposed to be even a limited directory of links to useful information. Rather, a "useful" link in the Wikipedia sense is one that adds something to the article that would be inappropriate or impossible to add directly to the article as text or media, but should be "in" the article somehow anyway. Linking to stuff for the sake of linking to stuff is the job of the Open Directory, not Wikipedia. — Saxifrage ✎ 03:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree. It is spam. The site owner, on a personally owned site, deliberately put up those Amazon links him/herself. —pink moon1287 12:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AMV Hell

Does AMV Hell really deserve an entire paragraph ? This looks more like personal advertisement. My suggestion is to do a real list of spoofs/parodies or else remove the paragraph. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.57.10.217 (talk • contribs).

I agree - totally irrelevant here, I have removed it. Sfacets 22:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding ellenfeiss.net.

This is a discussion on why or why not ellenfeiss.net should be included within Ellen Feiss. As far as I can tell it doesn't fall under any of the Links to be avoided. And it seems to contribute more to the article than either of the other two external links. Anyone else have any input on the matter? Johaen 23:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

This is a blog and so fails #11 on the links to normally be avoided. It's not a reliable source and Wikipedia has a long history of removing links to fansites. --Yamla 00:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Blah. I did not recognize it as a blog until now that you mention it. Kinda frustrating, because I do believe it to be a fairly decent source. Definitely better than either of the other two external links, although the links in the references section seems to cover most of the info on ellenfeiss.net. Johaen 00:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] variety seeking buyer behaviour

Is it ok to say that this was an example of variety seeking buyer behaviour - a way to entice the consumer who had adopted a habitual approach to PC consumption to look at an alternative.. ? Kendirangu 18:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

No. Please see WP:NOR. --Yamla 18:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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