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I want to go to bed - but may I draw attention to the slight sucking-up tone of this article? candidate for a wee cleanup i suspect. Barneyboo 23:11, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Might I suggest that the Career section is sorely lacking? I don't have details, unfortunately, but I know for a fact that Ellen had a fairly successful standup career for years before her sitcom. I recall in the early 80's she was the winner of Showtime's first or second annual Funniest Person In America competition. Ellen may have been her big break, but this was not the beginning of her career. I only wish I could contribute solid details. --Enigmatick 20:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Oh God!

Various articles mention her as playing God in an upcoming remake of the 1977 George Burns film Oh God!, but none of these provide any sort of reference to an official article which confirms that she has actually been cast. As far as I know, this is still a rumor. (Ibaranoff24 03:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC))

ATTENTION: It is importent to note, Christian SCIENCE and Christian are TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. Christian Science is NOT Christian, and no real Christian or any Christian pastor or church would ever say such a thing that Christian science is the same as Christian. Christian science IS A CULT. Look it up in a search please to verify, do some reading, you will be suprised at the subtle but effective deception against the real scriptures. search Christian Science cult. Thankyou.


[edit] LGBT Christian claim

Can anyone verify Ellen's religious beliefs? If not, it's not appropriate for us to be making claims about them. Kasreyn 04:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

See this Thumbelina 22:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
That source does not support the claim that DeGeneres is a Christian. It supports that she once was, and she always refers to it in the past tense, as in "I was a Christian Scientist." (emphasis mine). She also claims to believe in god, but does not specify which. I'm sorry to take so long to get back to you, I had an unfortunate hard drive crash.
I'm removing the LGBT Christian cat until a better source can be found. Just having been raised Christian doesn't mean she necessarily is now. Kasreyn 09:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Ellen is a Methodist. Methodists are Christians. Thumbelina 17:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source to confirm that she's Methodist? If not, she should not be on the LGBT Christian cat. Even if she still claimed Christian Science as a religion, Christian Scientists are not Christians. 64.214.78.130 23:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
No, without a source to confirm she's something, we don't say anything. Note that in the article it states that DeGeneres left the Christian Science religion. Therefore she is definitely not a Christian Scientist. The claim that she is a Methodist is as-yet unsupported. We can't just claim she's Christian by default. Kasreyn 04:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, but Methodists and Christians are not the same thing. LoZmaster 20:20, 18 September 2006(UTC)

[edit] Coming-out

I expected more in the article about her coming out publically, which was a very big deal at the time (see, for example, this Time Magazine cover). But it seems barely mentioned in passing. Pimlottc 16:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Many users have a problem with an article mentioning a person is homosexual. They tend to limit the information as much as possible.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.162.212.254 (talk • contribs) .
The article mentions several times that she is a lesbian. The article has the categories Lesbian actors, LGBT comedians, and LGBT Christians. No information is being limited. It is POV to define DeGeneres by her sexual orientation in the opening sentence. -- Dcflyer 14:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
See the homphobic nature of these people? They claim it is POV in one section, then claim it isn't in another. How pathetic. He doesn't even know what POV is, nor does he know the guidelines or standards for openings of biographies on wikipedia. Maybe he should read up.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.188.117.70 (talk • contribs) .
Frankly, I think you're being absurd. The article in current form mentions she's a lesbian FIVE times. What the hell more do you want? Not only is the article NOT homophobic, but I think its insulting to DeGeneres to assume that being a lesbian is more important than everything else about her life (ie. being a successful actress). Leave the article alone. Talk up your crusade elsewhere please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.240.129.123 (talk) 16:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC).


I don't think the problem is that it doesn't mention her lesbianism ENOUGH... I think the issue is that when she came out publically, and on the show, it was an absolute FIRESTORM of controversy. It swept up public discussion, and was one of those defining moments in the history of the gay rights movement... it brought the discussion about homosexuality into the limelight that I don't think it previously had. I personally feel there should be a seperate section on her coming out and all of what went with it - not because its important that she's a lesbian, because frankly, its not - but because of how absolutely monumental her coming out, and doing so on NETWORK TELEVISION was. Perhaps you are all too young, or your memory is too clouded, but that entire experience is such a big deal, I almost expect a wikipedia article on that event itself - and the fact I don't see a section here devoted to it makes no sense to me. I think its a major diservice to the gay rights movement, and Ellen herself to minimalize the impact on the national conversation over homosexuality that she had to a simple blurb about her coming out under the heading of the show she did it on. As for her being defined by it in the opening line of her biography - obviously that is inappropriate. But the incident/event/movement is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR to important to only be mentioned there.

  • And don't forget the cover stories on national news magazines. Yet does she dwell on that now? I don't think so. For her it was just another step, it seems. Wahkeenah 05:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huffington Post?

I searched the Huffington Post archives and could only find one (very short) article authored by Ellen. It seems to me, therefore, that a sentence like "Since May 2005, she has been a contributing blogger at The Huffington Post" is inaccurate ("contributing" implies ongoing contributions). Also, this sentence currently appears under the category "Talk shows and awards host," which is definitely an illogical place for this statement to occur. Has Ellen contributed to the Post more than once? If not, can this sentence simply be removed for its irrelevance? 67.164.99.136 07:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm taking out the sentence for reasons listed above. 67.164.99.136 01:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Reverted back after I foud this page consisting almost entirely of teh word "LESBO". Sigh, some people really need to get lives. Lone Architect Lone Architect 14th October 2006

[edit] Relationship w/ Portia de Rossi ?

Not sure whether to revert the recent anon. edit removing that line. Does anyone know if they are still together or not? WikkiTikkiTavi 16:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

76.215.108.253 01:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)—I just wanted to see a filmography and I have trusted Wikipedia as a source for the last two years. I just want to know what is wrong with you people to pick apart a person's life? Wikipedia, it is a very informative article and thank you. To the people who posted the stupid comments about sexuality and her personal life; don't live your lives through celebrity infatuation, get your own. Who really cares who she blows?

[edit] Picture

This looks ancient -- surely there's a more recent one floating around? Vranak

Why do we need a recent picture? It's an encyclopedia, not a news site. Anyway, this picture is cc-licensed; we can't replace it with a standard copyrighted image. —Chowbok ☠ 03:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
It's not the most flattering photo, that's why. I'm sure you can understand the principle here -- imagine if it was her high school graduation picture. :) Vranak

Why is her height important? 130.126.190.19 21:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth Wall

Just passing by and noticed this: DeGeneres (and her character on the show) came out of the closet on national television and publicly declared that she was a lesbian with Oprah Winfrey playing her therapist. In spite of the controversy, or perhaps because of it, the outing episode, entitled "The Puppy Episode," was one of the highest-rated episodes of the show which is before the Oprah announcement, making viewers confused if the outing scene was breaking the fourth wall.

Viewers were confused, eh? I'm one of them, and this sentence does not help a bit. What is "the Oprah announcement"? "Oprah Winfrey playing her therapist" implies Oprah portrayed a therapist in an episode of Ellen; if so, then how could the episode in which she came out have been before this one? If "playing her therapist" means something else, the wording should be changed. If the character's coming out was also the public's first signal that the actress was a lesbian, then it was breaking the fourth wall, no? IIRC the public had plenty of warning that it would happen -- otherwise the controversy could not have affected the ratings of the episode! These events should be told in chronological order, stating the facts so that the people like me, who were confused at the time and turn to Wikipedia for the real story, can get it. Cjoev 21:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pretty sure that MySpace page is bogus...

Is it possible to verify authenticity? DamsonTree 09:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More of the same (see Fourth Wall above)

This sentence needs clarifying/re-writing: 'Ellen reached its height of attention in April 1997 when DeGeneres (and her character on the show) came out of the closet on national television and publicly declared that she was a lesbian to Oprah Winfrey, who played her therapist.' Did Ellen (the person) come out to Oprah on Oprah's talk show; did Ellen (the character) come out to Oprah playing the therapist on Ellen; or both? I haven't seen either of the shows so have no idea; this article doesn't make it clear.86.136.194.209 13:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ellen sitcom

The 2 paragraphs about her sitcom were apparently inadvertently lost during the reversion of some vandalism today. I've replaced the text. HarshLanguage 10:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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