Talk:Elizabeth Craze
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[edit] Notability
Notable? It really needs massive expanding if it's going to make a good article. haz (user talk)e 16:04, 16 March 2006
Ok, either read the article you have linked to this page or get rid of it for INCORRECT information. The article says the operation was performed by Shumway's team NOT Shumway himself. Think about it! Shumway was born in 1923, making him 61 years old at the time of the operation in 1984. Call Stanford Hospital and get the records. How can you get a more verified source of information than the person it happened to? Dr. Phil Oyer was the surgeon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.5.15.123 (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Comments left in article
Ok, either read the article you have linked to this page or get rid of it for INCORRECT information. The article says the operation was performed by Shumway's team NOT Shumway himself. Think about it! Shumway was born in 1923, making him 61 years old at the time of the operation in 1984. Call Stanford Hospital and get the records. How can you get a more verified source of information than the person it happened to. Dr. Phil Oyer was the surgeon.
[edit] Cite any reference to Oyer
Anywhere?
[edit] Who performed the surgery?
This reference [1] says "Shumway also operated on her brother, Andrew." which would seem to indicate that Shumway did, in fact, perform the operation. Stanford also has a quote from Elizabeth Craze[2], which, in describing her, states "transplant surgery performed by Dr. Norman Shumway". .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 13:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Who performed the surgery? I think I know.
Andrew Craze here. Both my sister's and my own transplant were performed by members of Shumway's medical team, and under his watch, but my understanding is that the surgeries were not actually done by the great Dr. Shumway in either case. Stanford was (and is) a teaching hospital and in the 80's was in the process of teaching many of the surgeons that now run transplant centers worldwide. The current head transplant fellow at any given time generally performed the actual transplant surgery. In my case in 1983 that was Dr. Dennis Modry, and in Elizabeth's case in 1984, Dr. Phil Oyer. While both doctors were highly competent, and have become more established, at the time they were still relatively young and unknown. Thus it is not surprising that their names didn't make the papers -- they had no PR value.
None of this diminishes the point, which is that Cardiac transplantation outcomes are continuously improving, and that while Elizabeth was the youngest ever to receive a transplant at that time, she continues to live a full and productive life more than 20 years later. (Although I haven't actually attended any of her volleyball games.)
Andrewcr67 22:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Not an Acceptable Source
If you are who you say you are (and there is no reason to doubt that), you are, oddly enough, not an acceptable source for Wikipedia!
There is still no reference on the web to Oyer performing this surgery.
[edit] Acceptable vs. Accurate or Reliable
OK, fair enough. While I consider myself technically savvy, I must admit to being something of a newbie with regards to Wikipedia. What constitutes an "Acceptable" source? I would say it's tough to get much closer to the source. Obviously the late Dr. Shumway isn't going to weigh in on this. 8)
Does having a reference on the web make the information more reliable? I'm proficient with HTML, if I were to make a site claiming that black was white would that make it so? It seems to me that Wikipedia, as a respected online reference, would be the first choice of websites to reference. What am I missing?
Thanks, Andrewcr67 20:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reliable Sources
Dr. Shumway himself would not be considered a reliable source. Mostly because we have no mechanism for verifying he is who he says he is.
The following describes Wikipedia's policies on reliable sources:
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