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[edit] Mahinda Rajapaksa

You need to discuss your section on the talk page. It seems like some of the links are just general complaints about the government and not Rajapaksa specific. If you insist on simply pasting your section back in without any discussion at all, that may be considered vandalism. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

At least we are agreement that some of the complaints are simply Sri Lanka-specific and don't mention Rajapaksa by name. Simply being the head of the government alone doesn't mean that every abuse belongs on his article. Information like that belongs at Human rights in Sri Lanka (which really really could be expanded based on what you showed me). Frankly, I'm sure that there's more on Rajapaksa out there but the links (and the criticism) need to be specific. If you could find articles about an increase in human rights abuses (while we said it, technically we don't have a source for that statement) during his administration, which would probably have examples, that would be best. Tell you what, expand the Human rights article a bunch and put a link under the "See also" section of the Rajapaksa article and I think we'll all be happy. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the holes/cleaning up the human rights section. These articles really need constructive criticisms from neutral observers from time to time and unfortunately due to these revert wars, all of this gets lost in emotion. Where there is smoke there is a fire and so I'll certainly try to get the sources pinned down regarding significant increase in human rights abuses etc and where it links Rajapakse directly. That shouldn't be too hard to find, but I'll certainly look into it and move whatever else to the separate human rights section. I am agreeble to your suggestion of having a link to see also section. Elalan 05:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
No problem. The best article was the ones with specific pointed criticism which cannot be defended. While it may feel better to simply say "there have been more human rights abuses", it's best to be specific. For example, look at contaminated haemophilia blood products, which took me almost a week to find the best sources to build from. There were a ton more vague allegations out there but I just the strongest language which will make it difficult for someone to argue with. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Velupillai Prabhakaran

Hi Elalan, Thanks for your stance on that article. I would, however, need a joint effort to get this cleaned up and also protected. Please leave me a message when you are free. Thanks. User:Sudharsansn

Sure Elalan, I would chart out one soon. Basically the plan is to get both sides, the SL govt's stance and also the views of all neutral and pro-VP bodies like the Canadian media and the views of the Tamil Diaspora which can be cited with evidence. Accounts of the Eelam people can also be quoted. Sudharsansn 00:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
That sound fair. Elalan 22:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Great Elalan, I would go thro it again and put appropriate citation tags, just a revision. Pls do go through my reply in the talk page. Thanks Sudharsansn 22:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit done

I have done some work on this article and all claims made are explicitly verifiable from all the information, taken even from the Sri Lankan media and also the international media to ensure a NPOV. The issuing of death warrants, the thileepan incident, the alfred duraiappah incident are all cited with background information and some hearsay remarks about his family have also been added with citation tags clearly. Let me know what you think about this version, we can refine it.

Sudharsansn 16:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revamp completed

This article as of now, is almost completely revamped with regard to completely cited information about VP in a NPOV and all evidence is verifiable as stated - SL media, Indian media and the international media. Complete rework has been done on this article. Please read through it again, with all the exact citations and references provided and also some redundant sections trimmed down.

As of now this article, IMHO, seems to be perfectly NPOV - his murders, assasinations are also cited with evidence and so are his achievements as a military leader, both sides are portrayed equally - This should be fine enough for the reader to make a good, informed decision about VP.

Let me know your opinions. Please read through it again if any fine-tuning is required. VP Talk page

Sudharsansn 18:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Elalan, could you pls leave some comments on the talk page about the VP article. I am considering to get the tags removed and also protect it with Ricky's help so that we can relax for some time on this page. Thanks a lot for your support and help. Looking fwd to cooperate more on the SL crisis project. :-) Sudharsansn 08:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tamilnet

Oh damn, I can't believe that even this is being vandalized by the Sinhala mafia. We will work on it. Btw, can we create something like the project India stuff. Ex: Project Eelam, or Project Neutral SL. Do you know how to create projects? Sudharsansn 21:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea. If it benefits wikipedia, I don't how it could be opposed. Elalan 21:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I am checking it up with an admin and will revert back to you shortly. I can understand the strategic importance that the Sinhala Mafia gain by vandalizing Tamilnet, make it sound like another unverifiable evidence. You work on Tamilnet and I work on VP for some time. Your opinion? Sudharsansn 22:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Btw, I am reachable through e-mail, could you pls drop in ur mail id and msngr id (Yahoo/Gtalk/ICQ) so that we really don't have to wait for checking msgs in the discussion page for action items. Thanks Sudharsansn 22:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I meant, I am reachable thro e-mail so to protect ur privacy drop in an e-mail to me at my id with your e-mail. LEt me know the channel details for IRC. Thanks Sudharsansn 10:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WikiProject NCSLC

Hi Elalan, I have created a project titled NCSLC: Neutral Coverage of the Sri Lankan Crisis. Pls let me know your inputs and how to take it forward from here. I am eagerly looking fwd to have you there. Thanks again Sudharsansn 20:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Tamilnet

Elalan, I don't have time for dispute resolution right now. The best route for you is to post whatever you said on my talk page, to Administrators' Noticeboard (Incidents). A lot of administrators will be more than willing to help resolve your problem. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 05:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Elalan 06:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thileepan

Hey there,

I really need some help with the Lt Colonal Thileepan page, especially in the 'Early Life' section. Thought you might be able to help with that Thanks --Sharz 23:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)for any help you can give me

[edit] I am Back!

I c lot a of things have changed since I was away. I didn't think you were going to be on Wikipedia for this long. :) Trincomanb 02:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:WikiProject NCSLC

  • Thanks for the invite, I have added myself to the Wikiproject. I will try and give you guys suggestions to keep articles relating to the Sri Lanka conflict neutral. The first step (and most important) in that direction would be to remove the "terrorist" tag that certain users have attached to the LTTE, since only 28 of the 161 UN nations have declared the LTTE "terrorist", and the UN itself has not done so. For Wikipedia to call an organisation (which many consider a freedom movement) "terrorist", based on what only a handful of countries have to say, would be biased. The same logic applies to the actions taken by the LTTE. If assassinating eneny generals is "terrorism" so is the ethnic cleansing of Tamils. I look forward to working together on this Wikiproject and hope that we can prevent Wikipedia from being used as a propaganda tool by vested interest groups. Cheers! Cerebral Warrior 16:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks Elalan. I have added myself to the Wikiproject. Let's continue the project with courage and consistancy. --∞Sechzehn16Talk∞ 03:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Also please use the userbox I created instead of raw source, if you please. It is much easier and will add you to category automatically. Source:{{Wikipedia:WikiProject_NCSLC/User_NCLSC}} -∞Sechzehn16Talk∞ 07:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sri Lanka Army Citations

You are most welcome! I have been spending countless sleepless hours to complete the reference sections. I think it is quite a good idea to fill up the references of articles related to Sri Lanka. If you come across such citation problems again, would you mind letting me know about it first before you do the fact tagging? Because I'm interested in looking for the proper references regarding any article. Thank you in advance. Lahiru_k 04:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the invitation to join WikiProject NCSLC.

That's very thoughtful on your part but no thank you I'm afraid. I'm always ready to render my service regarding this as a Sri Lankan, but I would always prefer doing things in the way I have always used to. By the way, I would also like to mention that there is no such ETHNIC CONFLICT in Sri Lanka but sheer TERRORISM. According to the newest statistical data, the majority of the Colombo city comprises Muslims followed by Tamils and Sinhalese respectively. If there was such an ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka do you think this situation could be possible in a southern area like this which is also the Commercial Capital of the country? If you do not mind, please remind this to Tamil Selvam as well before the peace talks. Anyway, I appreciate your invitation to join the project and thanks once again. Lahiru_k 08:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] reply to your post

yes ,iam pretty new to here.But i do have a good faith for most of the editors, and need not to say about my respect to them.But for some, sadly i have none.That is solely due to the ambiguous stand they have taken.I believe that those who do not know about a certain thing should refrain eding from that thing. And for wiki policies i have broken none. thanks--Iwazaki 00:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NCLSC Banner

Prepared this easy-to use code. Please add it to the talk pages in the scope. It also has a category. --∞Sechzehn16Talk∞ 10:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Code {{Wikipedia:WikiProject NCSLC/banner}}
Result

This article is within the scope of the NCSLC Project, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka and to provide a balanced opinion on the ongoing crisis. The primary objective is to contribute and maintain pages pertaining to the Sri Lanka Tamils, LTTE and the Sri Lankan government's efforts towards resolving the crisis.

NCSLC stands for Neutral Coverage of the Sri Lankan Crisis. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.

[edit] Mediation case regarding the article LTTE

Nwwaew(My talk page) 22:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message, I'll definitely take a look at it. Cerebral Warrior 16:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verifiability Breach

I need your help in explaining Verifiability to Iwazaki here because he is framing up two sections based on nil evidence. Pls check this diff. Thanks Sudharsansn 13:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Desperately Need help on blanking and POV editing of Tamilnet by User:snowolfd4

I have been making some edits to Tamilnet which have been repeatedly reverted with POV and propaganda from the ministry of Defence, Sri Lanka without any qualifications of the text by user User:Snowolfd4. I have added a list of justifications for my changes. But this user has never bothered to answer them and gone ahead given very terse statements for his reverts. This is pretty much vandalism. I have in turn added citations from a reputable source, namely a journal article on Tamilnet.com by Whitaker, Mark P. "Tamilnet.com: Some Reflections on Popular Anthropology, Nationalism, and the Internet" Anthropological Quarterly - Volume 77, Number 3, Summer 2004, pp. 469-498 George Washington University Institute for Ethnographic Research. He has reverted my citations claiming in effect that this peer-reviewed scholarly journal article is the following:

According to Official WP policy Personal websites, blogs, and other self-published or vanity publications should not be used as secondary sources. That is, they should not be used as sources of information about a person or topic other than the owner of the website, or author of the book. The reason personal websites are not used as secondary sources — and as primary sources only with great caution and not as a sole source if the subject is controversial — is that they are usually created by unknown individuals who have no one checking their work. They may be uninformed, misled, pushing an agenda, sloppy, relying on rumor and suspicion, or even insane; or they may be intelligent, careful people sharing their knowledge with the world. Only with independent verification by other sources not holding the same POV is it possible to determine the difference.

He has claimed pretty much all the sources, including the journal article not to be a reliable source, with very very dubious edit summaries. I desperately need administrator intervention on this. This is getting to be very frustrating when a user claims that a peer-reviewed scholarly journal article is an unreliable source and then goes ahead and blanks legitimate cited contents. He has already been blocked for edit warring before and has a history of POV pushing and blanking. Thanks, Elalan 21:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I will be looking into this but in future, please use WP:ANI to post alerts that any admin could deal with, as it is likely that it will be dealt with quicker there. Stifle (talk) 17:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I recommend taking part in the mediation case. I will not be issuing any sanctions - I note I have already blocked Snowolfd4 for 24 hours. Stifle (talk) 18:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tamilnet

Update this link please [1] beacuse it has data stamp clarification. CXan you add a sentence which says that Tamilnet has updated the pictures with wrong date stamp statement. I dont yet know how to properly cite. I do the old way. Thanks RaveenS 15:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Massacre series

I have been doing a series of articles on massacres of civilians in Sri Lanka pertaining only to Sri Lankan Tamils. I am almost there with some past incidents that need articles such as Mylanthanai massacre and the red linked article on the State terrorism campaign box. Some of the article still need improvement but I am asking your help to properly cite using the Wiki method (rather than what I use) especially for 2006 Mannar massacres as I think it is with the additional help I had in referencing, is almost there. Your help will be appreciated. ThanksRaveenS 13:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure will do. Elalan 13:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military of Sri Lanka

I've been working on the Special Task Force page for a while and I thank you for your help with that, but now I wish to address the Military of Sri Lanka page, I would apreciate it alot if you could assist in the clean up and re-working of this page. --Sharz 00:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Let me know when you wanted me to look at it. Elalan 23:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I think the human rights allegations section from Sri Lanka Army should expand to the Navy and the Air Force as well. I tried to expand the article but it would be better if you could help. Thanks a lot. --∞Sechzehn16Talk∞ 00:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Sechzehn, on this point I think the stuff related the Sri Lankan airforce and navy should belong in their respective pages. You can perhaps add a link to mention see also under the human rights abuses section. In all fairness though, the human rights abuses shouldn't dominate the articles on the navy and airforce. In fact both of these pages require a lot more content and once thats there might be room to insert the human rights abuses section. Elalan 04:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vaharai bombing

See article and make any changes needed. If it is done properly then shuch articles can be a featured article on Wikipedia ?RaveenS 20:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks good and we need an article on N. Ravirajand put in todays news in the front?I'll do what I can. Thanks RaveenS 13:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Done please run with it and put it in the front page. Thanks
News in the Main page I have put a help me on my user page. I
See Main portal news he is already listed. RaveenS 17:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Now I think the State terrorism in Sri Lanka article needs to be properly cited :-(. One of these days I will figure it out myself. Sorry.RaveenS 20:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll reformat the citations and show you the method once I am done Elalan 21:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Dear Elalan: I saw the article and from the first line it is offensive and rejecting the truth, as the SL government media always do. I have to do a presntation in 3 and a half hours. So, I can't take my hands off at the moment. (My situation is bit critical and I haven't slept last night). I will correct the article and warn the vandal tonight. Thanks for the message. --16T 20:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Not a problem, take your time. Elalan 20:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I have edited the article and left a note below in the discussion page. Thanks for reporting and for your work at the donkey image. We can be productive and give response fast by working together. Thanks a lot. --16T 03:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for your message. Citermon 10:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] N. Raviraj lesson

All what it shows that if we write timely articles on events in Sri Lanka, if they are grave enough under the circumstances, it will get highlighted. Vaharai bombing, Kethesh murder, Trincomalee suicide attack, and Chencholai orphanage attack all these should have made the main page but they did'nt but if they had it would have increased the awareness about Sri Lankan issues along with Iraq, Sudan and Israel and it can only make our life easy about editing controversial subjects because there will be more oversight. I hope the LTTE and GoSL will not give us the opportunity in the future but I have my doubts RaveenS 13:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


That's great Elalan. I wud also want our team to use this article: Sri Lankan govt using Children to fight against LTTE in related posts!! Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 11:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civility warning

  • I'm currently having a very busy schedule with my studies until 4th December. I will definetely give you a full scale answer on this matter after that. Though I'm busy, I make it a point to see my watchlist everyday and do any top urgent edit necessary. So long Happy Editing!!  ♪♫ĽąĦĩŘǔ_Қ♫♪  (Ŧ) 07:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I have reported the image for deletion for all the causes. Thanks for your advice. See this Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion#Image:NEW_LTTE_Logo.jpg, and update if needed. --16T 20:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sinhala Vandalism

Pls read through this link to understand how my user page and the NCSLC being vandalized by Sinhala, pro-govt vandals!! Request you to voice your support and report everything that happens!! Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 11:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


Note that a new userbox has been created by Lahiru and is being used by so many others. This is the one: Rather than saying that they want to support the Army, they would simply want to kiill all Tamils?

Isn't it that clear that Wiki is just not the place for any of them? Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 13:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template issue

Thanks for your support. I have my doubts as to whether it will survive. Because I myself had the doubt whether it is neutral or not. But I am in Wikipedia for the lon haul not to go away tomorrow. We can learn from the set back if here are any. Nevertheless what we need is to improve the Human Rights in Sri Lanka article in a balanced manner then create a template linking Human Rights in Sri Lanka and State terrorism in Sri Lanka. I am looking for a good example so that the template can be not too big, kind of foldable for each category and will survive an AFD. If you see and as a prototype, let me know. Thanks RaveenS 16:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD tag

Can you explain your removal of the deletion tag from Template:Campaignbox State terrorism in Sri Lanka, here? I don't see discussion on that page or at the Templates for Deletion page supporting the removal of the tag. I don't have an opinion on the issue itself (I have not voted in the discussion or edited the template) but I'm curious to know the reason for the removal. Generally speaking, deletion tags should only be removed after the discussion is closed. Kafziel Talk 20:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TFD

I know TFD and AFD do sometimes take a lot of emotional effort specially when you treading on new waters in Wikipedia such as State terrorism. Any way what I wanted to share with you before I leave for the day is that after this TFD and ii it fails to stay then what we need is a Template called Human Rights in Sri Lanka. That means it will be nuetral because such a template will link to all incidents irrepective of whether GoSL did or or someone else did it. Just my thoughts. I am off the day and the week end. Real life takes over :-(( RaveenS 21:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD initiation by sockpuppets

Please check this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 09:19, Nov 19, 2006.

[edit] Thandikulam massacre

I just created Thandikulam massacre. When you have time can you copy edit it and get it to the front page if possible please. ThanksRaveenS

I agree, I spent the whole dam weekend on this wikipdia much to chargrin of my family :-(, how about we let someone else of your choice take over and run with it ?
I put in the news let's see what happens. Also you should enable your e-mail. Thanks

[edit] Chemmani mass graves

Hi Elalan. Just wanted to say how great you and a few other users have been on this encyclopaedia. Well done. At a time when open patrons and apologists of the Sinhala government's terrorist onslaught against the Tamils over the last 50 years louden their bark, and continue to attempt to rewrite history - its refreshing to know there are people who are willing to set the record straight. Anyways, I've been looking for an article on the Chemmani Mass graves, you know the one in Jaffna where between 400 - 600 Tamil civilians were buried in a mass grave by the Sri Lankan army - the one which Amnesty was appalled by and demanded an investigation into, the one that typically wasn't investigated. Could you point me in the right direction? Cheers Citermon

There is non, you have create it. Chammani mass graves RaveenS 02:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi I've opened a ArbComm case regarding my block

Please respond here Arsath 04:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template arguments

I finally had the TIME to go through all u'r arguments especially with User Z. There is no way that anybody else could have made such convincing arguments with someone who knows their policy in and out. I for one would have conceded long ago. Kudos and great job. I hope you are a lawyer by profession, if not you should think anout it, seriously, also the book you mentioned that we should write, I think we should colloborate :-))) ThanksRaveenS 04:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

First of all thanks for the kind thoughts expressed by you on my talk page. I must state that I learnt a lot from the debate. I still beleive that Sri lanka is a good country for any tamil citizen to live in peace as a lot of tamils are prospering in our island. I feel that the country as a whole has learnt and is making progress from our past mistakes, that is why I like a positive outlook for sri lanka in the wikipedia. I look forward to working with a consensus regarding issues pertaining to sri lanka in the future. BTW I tried to express the same thoughts to RaveenS however his page redirects to another page! Kerr avon 08:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject

Hi. Yes I'll consider joining this project soon. Thanks for the reply. Citermon 08:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article

Hi Elalan. I wanted to pass on an article I read. It's called Double standards and appeared on this site, The Guardian, as well as on here. [2].

Yeah, I agree with your comment. Thanks for the reply.Citermon 19:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project page vandalism

Check this Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 11:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I will Recuse Myself of votes

After having looked at the checkuser case launched by you through Sudharsan from the link that you gave me, I think its proper to recuse myself of votes in all instances where we both voted. I'll have a proper reply for you on the case. I think this lingering doubt just promotes more animosity and creates a poisonous atmosphere. Most importantly you suffer due to someone elses accusations. Trincomanb 15:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE

Hi. For your information, and further to the DRV discussion, I've restored Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE. Proto::type 14:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trincomanb sockpuppet thing

I'm sorry, I don't see how I can help. I have no idea personally whether you two are the same person, so all I could do would be to comment that I'm ignorant. If anything, I'd have to trust that the checkuser came out with the correct result. Sorry. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 14:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I wrote Essjay asking for clarification. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Elalan. I asked User:Shell Kinney for some advice concerning your case, and she said:
If you would like to have the ban reviewed, you may wish to post your concerns to the admin noticeboard. Usually that and appealing to the Arbitration Committee are the only ways to have a ban removed. You might also consider suggesting Elalan contact a advocate to assist him in his appeal. (See here).
I've posted a notice on the Admin noticeboard for you. You can contact an advocate for yourself if that is needed. I know this happend before the conclusions of your case were given. I've requested clarification. Hope that helps. Citermon 16:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
See the notice on your case here. Citermon 17:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are you?

Elalan, actually are you sockpupet of trincomanb? I’m asking directly this from you because of the Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Lahiru k.  ♪♫ĽąĦĩŘǔ_Қ♫♪  (Ŧ) 16:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No I am not a sockpuppet of Trincomanb. Elalan 17:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What Goes Around Comes Around

Hi Elalan,

Sorry to see you bannnned as a sockpuppet, And I really mean it. I know the feeling when you are blocked for something you didn't do. This is a perfect example of "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" Arsath 10:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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