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Contents 1 2006 Eid ul-Azha date (the first one) 2 How to perform Eid-ul-Azha prayers 2.1 Wa lillah lilham 3 The son that Abraham was going to sacrifice was Isaac 4 Eid prayers pic 5 Duration 6 it is ofcourse without a doubt ismael and not ishak 7 Should it not be Eid al-Adha? 8 Scarification 9 Hari Raya 10 Name 11 Not to be fussy, but 12 Sacrificing animals in the name of Allah 13 Prayer and khutba? 14 Sunni and Shia commemorate Eid ul-Adha on different dates?

[edit] 2006 Eid ul-Azha date (the first one)

"Eid ul-Azha" means the major festival. It is also called the "Eid of Sacrifice" or the "Eid ul-Hajj". The "Eid ul-Azha" is a commemoration and a reminder to Muslims of several things; for example:

• The story of Prophet Ebrahim (AS) (Abraham) and Prophet Ismail (AS) (Ishmael) and their willingness to make great sacrifices for Allah.

• To be ready to make sacrifices for the religion of Islam.

• For those who have not gone for Hajj (Pilgrimage to Mekka), it is showing support for their fellow Muslims who are completing the Hajj on that day (i.e., 10th Dhu al Hejja). it is cool.fck

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The date according to the Saudi government is January 10th while many other countries have reported the 11th as the date. They include Pakistan, Bangladesh and many parts of America. Though some parts of America do follow the Saudi decision and will have the 10th as their Eid.

The date used in this article should be January 10, the Saudi Arabian date, because Eid observances are closely tied to the events of hajj. joturner 02:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really sure whether I agree with just the Saudi date or having both dates, however I disagree with your conclusion. It is a misconception that Eid is dependent on the Hajj. The first Eid ul-Adha was observed in 2 AH while the first Hajj was observed in 9 AH.Pepsidrinka 02:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

We don't have both dates on the Islamic calendar month pages or on the Eid ul-Fitr page. I did not know the fact you mentioned about the difference in the observances, but the fact that the two events coincide surely has some significance. I'm still sticking to January 10. joturner 02:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

y r we still fighting over the dates keep it simple 1 day hajj next day eid!Don't help in making the Jew n Christian happy in seeing us devided. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.11.105.239 (talk • contribs) .

I wouldn't really consider this a fight. This is a simple discussion over which date should be put into the article. joturner 11:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Neither would I. Granted their is a difference of opinion in certain matters within Islam, but many times they fall under fiqh and the various rulings are supported by Qur'an and Hadith. Pepsidrinka 18:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

the slaughter picture

i don't mind the picture at all, but i think other people will because it is graphic. Also the people who are slaughtering it look like savages in the pic, i dont think it gives a good image of eid or islam in general. just my thoughts, i actually thought the picture was not bad or disturbing at all.

• • • I think that a better picture could have been found, although there is no doubt that the scene shown is commonplace on the Id al Adha. I also suspect that whoever chose that picture to represent Id ul Adha did so with less than charitable motives.

• • • The scene isn't all that commonplace, and certainly ought not to represent the holiday. How many cows can be killed on one day? That photo suggests that every muslim and every muslim family has a gore-shot cow on their front steps. But we're not arguing, brother, just discussing. --JT 18:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear Eid depend on Hajj, it is nothing without Hajj. aad picture it would be better .

Khalidkhoso 12:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the images are neither encyclopedic nor appealing. Although I know that the distribution of meat is an important part of this day, the photos lessen the importance of the overall meanings of the holiday: the culmination of the Hajj and the essence of inner sacrifice - not just the sacrifice for meat, but the sacrifice of money, time, and worldly desires for the greater good. I suggest the photos be replaced or at least removed for now. --SameerKhan 06:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How to perform Eid-ul-Azha prayers

I'm not very knowledgable about prayers and I was trying to find an online description of how to perform the Eid-ul-Azha prayers by myself but couldn't find any reliable source (e.g. some come from a Madhi or Shi-a perspective). I think it would be quite useful and beneficial to add a paragraph on how to perform the Eid prayers either here in the Eid-ul-Azha article or on the Salaat article and then link it here.

Thanks to the muslim Guild for all of your great works relating to the Islamic articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.34.234.120 (talk • contribs) .

According to the majority of Sunni scholars, if not all, agree that is performed just like any 2 raka'ah prayer, the only difference is there are additional takbirs in the beginning of the first raka'ah and additional takbirs before the bow of the second raka'ah. The different maddhabs differ on the number of additional takbirs. I don't feel it is neccessary to add it unless the fiqh is explained, and I don't feel that explaing fiqh matters deserves a place on wikipedia (though I have added various fiqh statments in various articles in the past). There is also a two khutbahs following the prayer. Pepsidrinka 05:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Here is some information from Sunnipath: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=650&CATE=115

Yeah it is not different then Common Prayer we have as decrisbe by user above

Khalidkhoso 12:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wa lillah lilham

What does 'Wa lillah lilham' (towards the end) mean for the Eidul Adha prayer? --203.15.122.35 04:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The son that Abraham was going to sacrifice was Isaac

and not Ishmael as given. That conflicts with the info given under Abraham. I will change it to Isaac but I doubt it will stay unchanged. Another example of Wikipedia famous credibility. Nickbee 03:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)Nickbee

That is because you are referring to the Biblical story rather than the Qur'anic story. In the Bible it says it was Issac. In the Qur'an, it says it was Ishmael. Since this is an Islamic holiday, it should be Ishmael, in accordance with the Qur'anic story. joturner 03:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • Actually, the Qur'an doesn't mention the name of the son. It does mention Hajjar and Isma'il being brought by Ibrahim to the valley in the Arabian desert, and the building of the Kaaba by Ibrahim and Isma'il. The entire Hajj ritual may be seen as a re-enactment of the story of Isma'il, Hajjar and Ibrahim, and their dilemma. Islamic tradition holds that the son who was brought to Makkah was Isma'il, whose mother of course was Hajjar. While Muslims believe that it was Isma'il who was supposed to be sacrificed on Divine order, they prefer not to argue about it if the identity of the son is disputed. Isaac is also considered a Prophet by Muslims and the point of the story has nothing to do with the identity or name of the son who was going to be sacrificed. The story is an example of extreme faith in God, loyalty, moral strength, and facing temptation and doubt.

"Skeptics, however, feel that this is due to a Saudi superstition that states that if the Eid falls on a Friday, the King will die soon. As chance (or Fate) would have it, King Fahd died later that year."'What is the relevance of the above statement to this article? Doesn't this look like some tabloid story to you? I suggest removal of the above from the article.

I'm not so sure. It could definitely be worded in a better way but it's not really so much different than Friday the 13th or the ravens in the Tower of London. That is if we can prove this is any kind of widespread belief. gren グレン 22:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

It very well may be a "widespread belief" and it might be a good addition to articles pertaining to superstition or such. But I question its relevance to the article at hand. I believe this article should be directed towards explaining this islamic holiday, and its historical (or mythical for that matter) background. The above paragraph, hardly adds anything to the article. Also in the current shape it would need citation.

[edit] Eid prayers pic

wat about adding a pic of people praying Salat?

That can be placed under Salat. --203.15.122.35 06:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duration

Salam. Eid ul-Azha is three days, not four. And Eid ul-Fitr is only one. Some countries such as Bangladesh have 3-day Eid ul-Fitrs and 4-day Eid ul-Adhas, but that's only custom, not proper Islamic teaching. Source: [1] Insha'Allaah I will change this. 84.68.164.9 19:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] it is ofcourse without a doubt ismael and not ishak

the prophet ibrahim or abraham had 2 sons one named ishac or isaac born by sarah and mainly lived in arabic palestine however isaac is the youngest of ibrahim 2 sons and was born when sarah and ibrahim were too old. the first son for ibrahim was ismael from hagar the present given to ibrahim from a king it was god's will to divide the descenders of ibrahim the prophet of allah a branch in palestine and a branch in mecca where the first masged was built for the people. then as a test for both ismael and ibrahim god ordered ibrahim to sacrifice his son and before killing ismael gibril the angel came down with a big sheep for ibrahim to sacrifice instead. the palestinian branch was to spreead out the words of allah in thier region and for the arabic branch in mecca to spread the words of allah thier too and also take care of the kaaba that ibrahim and ismael built together and care for the prayers who went there as pilygrims. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.205.226.99 (talk)

[edit] Should it not be Eid al-Adha?

I believe that the ul- would be a non standard spelling?

[edit] Scarification

Should it say "scarification" in the first paragraph of Traditions and Practices, or is it a typo? Xaxx 10:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hari Raya

Hari Raya refers to the other Eid, Eid-ul-Fitr not eidul Adha —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.199.177.246 (talk) 09:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

Hari Raya by itself might (although it's usually called Hari Raya Puasa or Hari Raya Aidilafitri). But Eid ul-Adha is called Hari Raya Haji/Aidiladha/Qurban Nil Einne

[edit] Name

Please do not add more languages to the first line in the article. The first line in Wikipedia articles is reserved for the English name (and the name in another language ONLY IF the English name stems from that non-English name) only. Thus, the Bosnian, Turkish, Bengali, Persian, etc., names DO NOT belong in the first line of the article. The most common English renderings of the holiday's name all stem from the Arabic version, so that should be the only non-English name in the first line (check on English Google - see how many hits Eid ul-Adha, Id al Adha, etc. get as opposed to Eid-e-Ghorban, Eyd-e-Qorban, etc.). The names in other languages belong in the "other names" section and in the infobox, but nowhere else. Please keep this article professional. --SameerKhan 19:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not to be fussy, but

"Days of Eid= It is Four Days Eid Not three"

Is not quite the most informative thing I've ever read on Wikipedia 80.4.195.106 13:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Another nitpick: Christopher Hitchens mentions, low down in this article, that Shiites begin their celebration of Eid ul-Adha one day later than Sunnis. (This is presumably due to variations in interpreting the lunar calendar -- as I recall, there's a similar variance, of a full week, between the celebration of Easter by western Christianity descending from Catholicism, and the eastern Orthodox churches.) Rmharman 19:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

i have many Shia friends and they celebirte eid on same day as Sunni there is no difference.it is on same dat

Khalidkhoso 06:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sacrificing animals in the name of Allah

I understand that we ask for Allah's blessing that we slaughter the animals in His name. Some people have misunderstood that sacrificing animals in the name of Allah is like that of the pagan Arab religion (pre-Islamic Arabia) that sacrifice animals and humans to appease the gods. How can we explain that we're doing it not for the sake of appeasing Allah and that it's only for human consumption just so to make the confused people clear about the sacrificing? --Fantastic4boy 06:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

REPLY:

I say tomato you say tom AH to.

• Now we know why they sacrificed Saddam Hussein on that holiday. Wahkeenah 12:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prayer and khutba?

This article states that khutba follows prayer, in khutba it says that khutba precedes prayer. AxelBoldt 20:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Eid khutba differs from Friday's prayer khutba as it's given after the prayer not before. corrected in Khutba article. --Mido 22:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sunni and Shia commemorate Eid ul-Adha on different dates?

Around the time of Saddam Hussein's execution I remember a lot of claims that Sunni and Shia Muslims recognize Eid ul-Adha on different dates. Is this true? If so the article should say something about it. Elliotreed 03:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)