Talk:Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford

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[edit] References Added, December 2006

I've add some of the most obvious references to support this article. I also lightly edited the section of literary associations and a few other passages of the article, for economy, clarity, and comprehensiveness. I respectfully request all those involved in building this article to follow wiki policies and refrain from gratuitous insult. This is not hlas. If this request is not respected, I will file a complaint with the appropriate authorities. --BenJonson 02:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by BenJonson (talk • contribs) 02:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] This article as of 17 September, 2006, is bullshit

I don't know what's been going on in the past, but this article has got to be restored to a rational form (1911, if necessary) and locked. The Oxfordian cult has taken it over.

John W. Kennedy 02:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Kennedy, your violent language is not appropriate to this forum. If you have a criticism of existing language in the entry, it should be stated. Then those involved in editing this page can discuss your proposed changes. References to "bullshit" and the "Oxfordian cult" are entirely unwarranted. --BenJonson 00:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I did an overhaul, keeping the 'Oxfordian' stuff separate to stress that it's not accepted by most historians. The Singing Badger 13:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Singing Badger: I don't quite understand how "most historians" are relevant here. Most historians have never even heard Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford. Your own qualifications do, however, deserve to be questioned. Have you, for example, ever read B.M. Ward's 1928 biography of Oxford? If not, why do you feel that you're an authority to edit the work of other writers who have? What exactly are your qualifications? And why haven't you challenged John W. Kennedy's unprofessional displays of prejudice? --BenJonson 00:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whitewashing his pederasty?

Why are de Vere's flings with Italian boys repeatedly being deleted from this article?! Haiduc 20:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Got a reputable source? We're being more careful about deleting unsourced claims these days. Stan 00:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

How about this? [1]

Also, this: [2].

Those phrase as accusations, not proof. It would be better to cite from the book that one of the websites mentions, which probably has more detail about who was doing the accusing and when. Stan 16:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)