Talk:Educational attainment in the United States
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[edit] Scope of article
This article is going to outline the educational attainment for each of the groups mentioned in the opening paragraph and then discuss the relationship between other demographic characteristics and educational attainment. Please be patient with the creationg and building of this article. Regards, Signaturebrendel 21:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Just an update, the article has been expanded as visible above is a GA nominee. Signaturebrendel 07:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Race numbers don't add up
Just a concern about the graph of income, race, and education status - there must be some flaw in the data there. For example, Whites have a higher income than Asians in every category, but in the "Total" category where the data is averaged together, Asians have a higher income than Whites. I don't see how that can happen, unless there's an error in the data or calculations. -Scott
- No, no its' not a flaw (I was puzzeled myself when I first read the data). Here is why: Whites with college degree have a higher mean income than Asian with a college degree, the same is true on every level. Among all races those with college degrees make significantly more than those who do not have a college. Now the reason why Asian have a hogher Total median income is becuase the percentage of Asians with college degrees is higher than the percentage of Whites with a college degree. In other words- Even though Asians make less at every level than Whites, they are more educated than Whites and thus have higher total mean income. Let me give you a small model. Say we have 6 Asians and Whites. 3 Asians (50%) have a college degree and make $50,000 a year, 2 Asians (33%) have some college and make $35,000. One Asian has a high school diploma and makes $20,000. Now, the mean income for this group of Asians is $40,000. Among the six Whites, 2 have a college degree and make $55,000. One White has some college and makes $40,000 and the other three have a high school diploma and make $25,000 each. Now even though the group of whites make $5,000 more at every level than the group of Asians, becuase they are less educated the mean income for our six whties is only $33,333- that's $6667 less than the mean for the six Asians. Now this is just an examlpe-but it should illurtate how Whites can outearn Asians at every level but yet have lower total mean income. Regards, Signaturebrendel 20:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] GA failed
I failed this from WP:GA for the following reasons:
- It fails to give an adequate historical context.
- Sources are not broad enough to give broad coverage of topic.
- Davodd 22:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Race section needs some clarification
The section on "race" does not at any point get into the muddiness of using "race" figures that in any way get into the whole Hispanic/non-Hispanic issue. Readers constantly comment on talk pages that (a) "Hispanic/Latino is not a race," which is true in most of the historic classification systems although the whole race concept is debatable and (b) numbers tend not to add up because of the overlap. Fixing it by simply writing about "White non-Hispanic" doesn't actually fix it, and this fact should at least be addressed, both for the sake of intra-U.S. readers and those in the rest of the world who may (MAY, I said!) have less familiarity with this subsection of the topic. There is literature out there, moreover, on how common it was for the "other race" category in the 2000 census to be chosen by the same people who marked "Hispanic/Latino," which confuses the issue further. I'm not saying that this article should attempt to straighten it out, only to introduce the issue and point the reader to articles that explore this arena. I'll try to dig out my notes and see if I can make a start on doing this, but if someone else beats me to it, I'll scarcely be disappointed. Lawikitejana 05:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
- So what exactely is it that you would like to see? I know Hispanic and Latino isn't really one race as it is even less of homogenous group than Whites, but nonetheless we use the term by the US Census Bureau which is "Hispanic or Latino (who may be of any race)." We need to use the figures the Census Bureau provides in the exact manner in which the present them which includes using the term "Hispanic or Latino." If we stray from the manner in which the Census Bureau presents these figures to far, we run the risk of having OR content here. Would adding the phrase "(who may be of any race)" behind the term "Hispanic or Latino help? Regards, Signaturebrendel 20:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Renominated
As per the GA dispute (archived here: Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 5) this article is being re-nominated. Homestarmy 18:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Second GA nom failed
I failed this GA nom: The big problem that I can see is in the quality of the prose: it is choppy, too informal, unclear, etc. It needs a lot of reworking and copyediting. It does yet not meet the "well written" criterium.
Also the referencing is not thorough enough; large sections are lacking in inline citations. It is granted that almost all of the info comes from the Census, but that's the problem... more commentaries and books on the topic must be researched. The article is now just a list of figures. I'm sorry, but it's still not ready. -- Rmrfstar 15:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What exactly is "some college"?
Can anyone find the official definition of this? Does it include completing at least a semester, a year, enrollment? 75.6.200.166 11:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Some college in general means people who have not completed their Bachelor's but have earned some number of college units. It's the completion of units; whether you have completed 3 units, a year or three years. Some college just means that you went to college earned any number of units but didn't get a degree. Interestingly enough, people with an AA may or may not be included under some college-so the definitions vary a bit. So, both a college freshman who drops after completing one 3 unit course, as well as a person with an AA may have some college. In the statistics mentioned in this article I usually use the former definition which states some college to be any accumulation of units that did not earn a degree. If I included people with Asociate degrees under some college, I clearly stated so in the text. Thanks for your interest. Regards, SignaturebrendelNow under review! 00:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
"This large racial inequality might partially be explained thorough the influx of uneducated Hispanic Americans -who had not been OFFERED the chance- to complete secondary education in their home country"
I think the "offered" should be changed to "Didn´t want to finish high school because thought it was pointless and prefered to start making money"; i live in mexico, where public high school is FREE as college and there are also distance and night options. I know a lot of teenagers that just don´t like to study, even when they could afford a private institution and choose to work as construction workers and get married young.
