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[edit] Athanasius

I still haven't had time to look into the Athanasius claims. Recognize however that the Mennonite views on the nature of Christ, as much as the Reformed (which I am), Catholic, Orthodox, or anyone else, come from Athanasius. Evan Donovan 03:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I recognise the theological signficance of what Athanasius taught. However, I think that makes it all the more important to take a hard look at the tactics that he employed to support his views. Maybe it's a Mennonite thing, but I think what historical figures did is always at least as important as what they said. We know that history (and theology) are often written by the victor. While that doesn't invalidate the history (or theology) it does demand that we examine closely the battles were fought and how they were won.
I see we share a birthplace. I was born in Lancaster County and lived there till I was 12. I get back there to visit every once in a while, although less often now that I'm in London. It's a good place with good people, methinks.mennonot 10:19, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I hear you. Problem is, some of the Christians I admire most have deeply problematic parts of their theology and practice (Augustine's urging of force against the Donatists, Bernard of Clairvaux's support of the Second Crusade, Luther's support of the nobles in the Peasants' War, not to mention his antisemitism or violent opposition to your theological predecessors, Calvin's tacit support of executions for heresy). I try not to become a hero worshipper of anyone, recognizing that if I were to somehow become historically significant in the Church, people would be able to find similar inconsistencies and sins in my own life.
Lancaster County is a good place. I'm always glad to find others who were born there. I don't really feel in some ways like a native though. Evan Donovan 05:49, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. No Christian theologian or leader was perfect. Sometimes I think the more we expect them to be or think them to be, the more trouble we get into. One of Christianity's strengths is recognising the brokeness and weakness in everyone and the more we learn to do that, the better.
I see you're coming over to Oxford soon. If you've got some time in London at some point you should stop by the London Mennonite Centre where I work (building a new web site among other things). We have a quality theological library that you might find interesting. It has a fair amount of material on the Constantinian shift and early church history that you might find useful. mennonot 11:45, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus

Check out the Jesus article and edit it to keep it focused on Jesus and a biographical account of Him. Watch the Jesus page to keep it focused on Him. Thank you. Scifiintel 21:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Poetry

Hi. I saw your post on Talk:Poetry and have made a note of it on Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry, so maybe others might help in the much needed clean-up. Perhaps you'd like to join the poetry project? The project has been dormant for a while now and we are trying to stir it into action once again. We'd certainly welcome your involvement! — Stumps 10:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pirate utopia

"Bit of a pro-anarchist slant here? Evan Donovan 03:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)"

Where? Zanturaeon 00:42, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:Wikiethics

deleted poll-spam from Resid Gulerdem 00:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC) (look in history if you wish to see the original proposal)

[edit] I would love your help.

Hi,

I know you are interested in christianity, and I recently started a new wiki over at wikicities which is on the subject of christianity. Christian Knowledge Base is the site.

The goal is to have a knowledgebase on christianity from a distinctly "C(hristian)POV" rather than the NPOV. It is not meant to be a mere Christian Encyclopedia, but to foster a real sense of community. I'd like to include things like current events, news, stories, and anything that would add to both an understanding of Christianity, but also its enjoyment. I'm looking for help to build a resource that could really enrich the lives of Christians.

I know you are busy but I am actively seeking new sysops/admins to help me build this site up, and I would be positively thrilled if you could contribute in any capacity whatsoever. nsandwich 05:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gregory Dix

I have tried to fix it but without unduly prolixity and undue POV slant. There is fairly heavy but inconsistent criticism from Colin Buchanon; much more muted comment by such as Kenneth Stevenson and Michael Perham. If you still think it needs clarifying without the theological article I wil come back to it. Roger Arguile\Roger Arguile 17.15 5 March (UTC)

[edit] Reformed Presbyterian

Are you a member at Broomall? Lancaster seems a rather long drive for church :-) Nyttend 14:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know Adam; I just met him this semester, since we had a history class (of which the final is complete! :-) together. So what kind of church is your home church, PCA? RPCUS? Something else? Nyttend 13:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re:"Bizarre" claim on Eucharist page

The text I removed is: The fullest interpretation of the Book of Revelations[sic] can be explained in the Liturgy of the Eucharist. The stuff on the Book of Revelations page was added just today, and may or not meet notability requirements (but that is a completely different issue). The section this sentence was added to was "Eucharist in the Bible". Saying "The Fullest interpretation" is a bold, POV claim. How do we know it is the "fullest" or even the correct interpretation? And also what does it mean by "explained in the Liturgy of the Eucharist". In retrospect, I could have changed the sentence to say something like "Two Catholic theologians have wrote books stated that the Book of Revelation can be interpreted in light of the Eucharist, suggested that Revelation follows the basic form and theme of the last supper stories found in the gospels". But I'm not exactly sure that is what they are suggesting. And how notable is this? If you know more about this, and can explain it better and work up a new version with citations, I'd totally encourage that. However, I hope we can agree that the previous text was unacceptable. Hopefully, if this information is truly important, it will find its way back into the article. Thanks for contacting me, and I hope I have explained myself well. --Andrew c 20:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I actually didn't work on the esoteric section. It has been in the article for a while, and the person who added the Paschal view blanked that section for some reason, so I was restoring the blanking. New Agers are always willing to assimilate other cultures into their belief system. And because Revelation deals with visions and strange mythology, its much easier to incorporate than say the Epistle of James. The view given in the article is by noted Gnostic and occult scholar, Samael Aun Weor. However, searching the web you can find a number of websites that explain Revelation in light of some esoteric, mystical, or occult world view. [1] [2] [3] etc. Anyway, thanks for the info on the notability and background of the Paschal view. Another editor came along and said, regarding the addition to the Rev article " i'm glad this view was added, since its the right one ". so I'll ask if he wants to add something to the Eucharist page.-Andrew c 21:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
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