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Contents 1 Wiki markup line changes 2 Bullet spacing 3 Extra edit buttons 4 Signature button 5 Spaces 6 Colour guide 7 Copyright symbols 8 Can I add Edittools to my local wiki 9 Markup change request 10 Markup change request(2) 11 Archive box 12 Personalized tools 13 Naira symbol

Wiki markup line changes

Proposed changes to the "Wiki markup" line, per top 3 page threads:

• Remove these links as redundant: [] [[]] #REDIRECT[[]]. Done.
• Add this link to the end of the line: (templates) Done.

sound good? --Quiddity 18:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 21:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Ruud 21:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Now I think of it... clicking on "templates" has the nasty surprise of sending you to another page. Could be quite an unexpected effect for some people? —Ruud 22:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

So do the "edit summary", "what's this?", "cancel", and "editing help" links just above, but I think you may be right. Maybe my mistaken < code > code would be useful after all? Or another method of visually/subtly distinguishing those 2 links?

This has been reverted, and I can see why. Some of us may consider the links superfluous, but others may like them better than the editbuttons at the top of the page. Redundancy is not always a bad thing. Ingoolemo ^talk 02:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, a partial reason for the removal was to stop the linewrap at 1024x768; but with the addition of blockquote, that became impossible.

So, we could even add/duplicate the nowiki button. --Quiddity·(talk) 03:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Bullet spacing

the bullets at the end of these lines, all have different spacing on their lefthand side. eg:

ə • {{Unicode|}}

> • (templates)

ω • {{Polytonic|}}

Could someone fix the Unicode and Polytonic lines to have 2 spaces to the left of the bullets. (Makes more sense if you look at the above in the Editing window (monospaced).)

Also, could we add another bullet between "{{Polytonic|}} (polytonic list)", like this: "{{Polytonic|}} • (polytonic list)"

Thanks. --Quiddity·(talk) 03:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Done! —Mets501 (talk) 21:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Extra edit buttons

I strongly recommend that you get User:MarkS/Extra edit buttons by adding the following text to User:Quiddity/monobook.js:

//Create 'winc' function:

function winc(s) {
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
             + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:' + s
             + '.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
}

winc('MarkS/extraeditbuttons')

XEB (as I call it) includes all functions in the markup line of edittools, thereby making all of them redundant. Once you've gotten XEB, you can add #edittools_wikimarkup {display:none;} to User:Quiddity/monobook.css, which will then make the wikimarkup line invisible. Ingoolemo ^talk 23:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

(I've made a new section for this.) Thanks for the suggestion, but i don't actually need the buttons, as I hand-type everything. The thread above is just me following up previous discussions, and proposing a change that will hopefully help all users. (by removing redundancy, adding a useful template link, and stopping the linewrap at 1024width). Thanks anyway though. -Quiddity 00:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Signature button

The 2 dashes were just removed from the signature button, with the edit summary:

"Rm dashes from "--~~~~". Sign with four tildes only - consistency with WP:SIG. Dashes are redundant anyways... if you want dashes, put it in your preferences"

However the graphical edit buttons signature-button, above the edit window, uses the 2dash prefix. If I were to put the 2 dashes in my sig-preferences, using the graphical button would then give me 4 dashes. These need to be consistent. (Personally, i prefer having the 2 dashes included on the signature buttons by default. It makes it easier to visually seperate comments that end with a link, from their ajoining signature.Quiddity·(talk) 18:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

On a personal note, I too prefer having the 2 dashes included on the signature buttons by default. I wonder why it was removed. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 20:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Siva, the reason I removed it was in the edit summary. I wasn't aware of the functionality of the button you pointed out though, Quiddity (I turned off that bar in my preferences). I wonder if we should change the functionality of the graphical button then too. Or maybe we can just have both ~~~~ and --~~~~ present in the box. I think just having the four tildes makes more sense because it is a personal preference whether or not to have the dashes. If someone does not want the dashes, he has to delete them when using the button; if the dashes aren't there, then someone who wants them would have to type them. Would having both be a good compromise? ~MDD4696 21:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I have a question, does anyone actually click either button? I mean, for me, it's much easier to just type ~~~~ than have to move the mouse. —Mets501 (talk) 21:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I go back and forth between typing either 1 or 2 dashes and the tildes, and using (both of) the buttons, at different times. I'm erratic that way ;)

On the other hand, I wouldnt miss any of the graphical button bar, if we just added the < nowiki > button to this edittools box. --Quiddity·(talk) 23:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense. I guess I'd weakly support removing the dashes from the graphical sig button, and let people set the dash/es in their own prefs. However, I do also find the dash/es a useful visual seperator, as i mentioned before. Plus, people will be even more tempted to use colourful/garish sigs, if we removed the dashes from being a default. Quiddity·(talk) 23:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we can use my favourite solution: add id tags? That way, users who don't we can offer both ~~~~ and --~~~~, and more advanced users can choose the former option if they want. (The latter would be set to display by default, the former to be suppressed by default.)

I also added a <nowiki> insert link. Ingoolemo ^talk 01:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. And good job summarizing below; and on the successful nowiki addition ;) --Quiddity·(talk) 06:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Spaces

Could someone help? I think it would be a good idea to add <div class="references-small"> into this, but I was clicking show preview and, because of the space, it thinks <div is a seperate thing. I tested to see if using <div class="references-small"> on an article if it works by replacing a space wiht an unserstrike, but it doesn't work. Any ideas? Iolakana|^T 16:55, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

<charinsert><nowiki><div class="references-small"></nowiki></charinsert> should work. It worked for me in my sandbox. —Mets501 (talk) 17:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... Thanks anyway! Iolakana|^T 21:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I've added it now. —Mets501 (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Colour guide

I was thinking that whenever you need to put voloured span tags, unless you're God, you ned to look at a colour chart. Why not include a HTML colour chart to help out the meek mortal users? SoaP 15:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

You don't need to be god to remember that for green you type <span style="color:green"> and for blue you type <span style="color:blue">, etc. —Mets501 (talk) 15:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mean that, I was talking about when you want to exactly match a color for whatever reason. It's a pain in the arse to find the exact colour. I was thinking something along the lines of...I'll show you my way here. SoaP 15:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, I was thinking of another idea:I have a lot of trouble with edit summaries; they take way too long. What if there was a button to insert key phrases such as "revert", "remove", "cleanup", and "creation"? That would help. SoaP 15:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The edittools text cannot be entered into the summary field. —Mets501 (talk) 15:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, meh, I forgot. SoaP 15:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Finally, on a completely non-serious note, what should we do for April Fools' Day? I think that we should replace all the edit tools with "Happy april fool's day" but that's relatively stupid. Maybe put the names of administrators? SoaP 15:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

We should not cross in to the MediaWiki namespace on April Fools' Day, that is going to far, and admins have been blocked for doing that in the past. —Mets501 (talk) 15:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't mean something really that far, but maybe putting in one tool that said "Happy april fools' day"? I really don't think that for one day out of 365, one crappy little link would destroy the integrity of the wiki. SoaP 15:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I strongly oppose any use of crappy little links even on April Fools Day. No serious researcher or academic would play such a joke. For Wikipedia to keep its integrity and scholarly ideals intact, these jokes should be strongly discouraged. Besides, there is Wikipedia:Humor for this. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 04:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Copyright symbols

©, and ® need to be inside the box; that would be of great service to image uploaders and those who respect copyright, like me. All I keep typing out for those turn out thus: (c), (p) and (R).

(Hmm...I see isn't Unicode-compatible.) --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 21:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Why? They should not be used in articles, and they aren't needed to indicate that something is copyrighted, you just use one of the tags or you can write what the copyright is. —Centrx→talk • 20:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Can I add Edittools to my local wiki

Can I add Edittools to my local portal mediawiki?
What I must do for this? 83.219.129.26 14:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

You should ask this question at the Village pump. —Mets501 (talk) 02:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I stupid :)). I must write /MediaWiki:Edittools

Markup change request

Please remove the semicolon from the id in this line (near the bottom):

<div style="margin-top: 1em;" id="editpage-copywarn2;">

Thanks :) --Quiddity 06:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Done —Mets501 (talk) 15:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Markup change request(2)

Hi. Could someone please change:

<charinsert><div class="references-small"></charinsert>  

to

<charinsert><div class="references-small">+</div></charinsert>  

This will make insertion easier. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit protected edit request completed. —Doug Bell ^talk 10:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Archive box

I added an archive box above.

--Meno25 01:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Personalized tools

{{#ifexist: Special:Mypage/Custom editing tools|{{Special:Mypage/Custom editing tools}}|}}

Would give each user the ability to add extra tools only they needed. Would be very useful for things like vandal fighting, giving users the ability to add common {{test}} templates and similar. Noclip 20:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, but I don't think Special pages can be transcluded. —Mets501 (talk) 23:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The watchlist can't, but recentchanges can.

This might then be a matter of some config. The real question is, do ParserFunctions and trancluding in general work at such an early stage of page generation? I highly doubt it. As far as I know, Mediawiki: pages don't handle MediaWiki syntax very well. D'oh! Миша13 19:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Some handle transclusions and all syntax perfectly, some can't handle it at all. It depends on the page. —Mets501 (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Naira symbol

Could an administrator please add ₦, which is the symbol for the Nigerian naira, to this page? It would go in the line <charinsert> ¢ $ € £ ¥ </charinsert><br/></span>, in between the Euro (€) and the pound (£). The new line would be like so: <charinsert> ¢ $ € ₦ £ ¥ </charinsert><br/></span> Thanks. Picaroon 02:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. --bainer (talk) 06:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)