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[edit] Pope John Paul II

Was Pope John Paul II, or did he consider himself an ecumenist? He strove for and the unification of Christians (reversal of the Great Schism).

[edit] Merge May 2005 Ecumenical-Ecumenism

I merged Ecumenical w this page. See Talk:Ecumenical for past talk. Sam Spade 16:01, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge or develop cross references Jan 2006 Ecumenism-Interfaith-Interreligious relations

There is some overlap between this page, Interfaith and Interreligious relations. If they can be merged, cross referred, or repartitioned, can this be done, with appropriate links. Jackiespeel 16:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Ecumenism-Christian ecumenism

Christian ecumenism should certainly be merged here. First, this would permit this important subject not to be reduced to the Wiktionary. Second, the term "Christian ecumenism" is NPOV & quite strange. I understand, of course, that it refers to the Christian conception of ecumenism, which is already arguably distinguished from religious pluralism (the differences between the two articles do not justify two different entries, as Wikipedia as no function of inventing words or changing denomination. It is my understanding that the Pope & the Protestant churches at least refers to religious pluralism as ecumenism, and not simply as "interfaith" or "religious" pluralism). However, before arguing the necessity to merge together ecumenism & religious pluralism, I will argue that Christian ecumenism must be merged here, as leaving the term "Christian" before and making it the most important article of the serie allows for the POV that ecumenism is mainly a Christian thing. Which is simply false. Apart from Judaism, both Islam & Christianity are universal religions which aims at world unification, at least in theory if not in practice. Tazmaniacs 13:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

• Merge Copied from below - ...This said, it seems to me that Ecumenism and Christian ecumenism could be merged (is there any noteworthy ecumenism outside Christianity? Just a question, I don't know; even if there is, I think the concept developed out of Christianity).
• 'Merge The normal meaning of Ecumenism is Christian ecumenism. -- Chris Q2 15:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge done please read and edit as appropriate. -- Paul foord 15:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Ecumenism-Religious pluralism

• Do not merge - I see Religious pluralism needing an article in its own right, ecumenism as it is is a stub and does need to be expaned. I do not understand the statement '"Christian ecumenism" is NPOV & quite strange', within Christian ecumenical circles this usage would not be seen as a problem, Christians do not own ecumenism, but do have a Christian expression of it. Paul foord 13:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

• Do not merge Ecumenism with Religious pluralism: Christian ecumenism explains quite clearly why, for reasons of clarity, Religious pluralism and Ecumenism should be treated as two different concepts, basically, RP is about inter-faith dialogue, Ecumenism is about dialogue and reconciliation within one faith community.

This said, it seems to me that Ecumenism and Christian ecumenism could be merged (is there any noteworthy ecumenism outside Christianity? Just a question, I don't know; even if there is, I think the concept developed out of Christianity).

More importantly, the whole sprawl of articles related to Religious Pluralism should be connected better or merged: InterFaith, Interreligious relations, Interfaith dialogue. In fact, all of these articles talk about the same problem, and it is hard to draw boundaries. Another article which should be linked better to Religious Pluralism is Religious Toleration, although this is a different concept.

And then, there is an old proposal which I contributed to, slumbering somewhere in the archives of Talk:Religious Pluralism about a restructuring of this page.--Robin.rueth 21:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• Do not merge Ecumenism and Religious pluralism -- but do merge ecumenism and Christian ecumenism. Within academic theology, there is a clear distinction between ecumenism and interreligious religions / interfaith relations / religious pluralism. In academic Christian theology, ecumenism is very clearly the movement for unity among Christian denominations, whereas the rest of the terms refer to relationships between different religions. I do agree that the religious pluralism / interreligious relations / interfaith dialogue articles should be linked - but there should be a recognition that in theology (Christian theology, at least), religious pluralism represents a certain claim--the claim that all major religions equally lead to God / salvation--which is distinguished from inclusivism, the claim that one religion is true, but other religions contain elements of truth, and members of other religions can be "saved." One can be pro-interfaith dialogue / favor good interreligious relations and still object to religious pluralism. (The RP article, btw, requires major clean up...) Makrina 07:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Do not merge Ecumenism with Religious pluralism. The normal meaning of Ecumenism is Christian ecumenism. I have heard the term Macro-ecumenism used to describe Religious pluralism, but I think this is a secondary term that should redirect to Religious pluralism. See [1], [2]and

[3] for examples of this usage -- Chris Q2 08:42, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old Believers

Old Believers are different from Old Calendarists. Old Believers started in the 1600s in opposition to New Russian Prayer books. They are Russians. "Old Calendarists" only go back to 1924 and are Greek. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheGOC (talk • contribs) 06:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC).