Talk:Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople

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Contents 1 Disputed 2 Other 3 The slash 4 Some remarcs 5 Restructure 6 "The Patriarch is a Turkish citizen with Greek ethnicity (See Istanbul Pogrom)"

[edit] Disputed

I do not think that the titles of the Patriarch are correct in the Greek language. Perhaps someone who speaks Greek fluently could check it. The titles in English are correct. I checked them with the first line of: http://www.ec-patr.org/athp/index.php?lang=en --Msl5046 16:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The title of the patriarch is correct in the Greek language. http://www.ec-patr.org/athp/index.php?lang=gr --Jstamos 01:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other

this page contains no actual information...

Well, it's a year later, but now it does contain some info. --Delirium 01:21 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Pontian Greek community that was largely killed or expelled by the Turks in the early 20th century. Nothing but point of view and propaganda. Zfr 22:23, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The replacement nonsense legitimizing murder as "as a result of agreements" is nothing but point of view and propaganda. --Delirium 09:46, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

Hahaha! <== This is a POV!

I think its time for an update of this page, and also a new photo. Patriarch Bartholomew is the second most important person in Christianity

No, he's far more important than the pope, Dr. Dobson or anyone else you can come up with. Proeliator Sancti 15:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Febuary 29 in which calendar? Jackiespeel 18:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

In the Gregorian.--Hectorian 00:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I heard he was Ex-KGB, is there any truth to this? Proeliator Sancti 15:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I think u are confusing him with Patriarch Alexius II of Moscow. Hectorian 17:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The slash

I put the slash back in because he was not born Demetrios Archontonis Δημήτριος Αρχοντώνης, but rather Δημήτριος Αρχοντώνης; the slash makes clear that the same name is being presented in two alphabets. Biruitorul 08:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

When will something of importance apper on this page....jstamosSep 23 2006

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[edit] Some remarcs

If Pope Benedict visits Istanbul this November, this will be the 3rd papal visit to the Patriarchate since the Schism, not the 1st, as is written in the article. Pope Paul VI was the first who visited Constantinople (he met Patriarch Athenagoras) and then Pope John Paul II came again visiting Patriarch Demetrius. Furthermore, Patriarch Bartholomew is a honorary doctor, not professor, of the universities listed here, and he has never been a Professor of the Gregorian Pontifical University. As far as I know, he has taken his doctorate there. (Obviously the writer has confused the titles doctor, meaning the holder of a doctoral degree, and professor, meaning an active university tutor) Besides there is virtually no information about his studies in the text...

It was me who added the info about the universities where he is a honorary tutor... I, cause of my backgroung, may confuse the titles of "tutor" and "doctor" (in Greek, doctor=γιατρός, meaning doctor, in the medical sense, and "doctora" in Greek, means a form of post-graduate degree...). Feel free to make changes needed. i also do not know where Bartholomew got his doctora from-if u are sure, add it, with a source pls... As for the Papal visits, this is the first time that a Pope will officially visit an Ecumenical Patriarch. this is what is exceptional with this. Papal-Ecumenical Patriarcal meetings have occured 4 times so far, i think: 1st in Jerusalem, then Athenagoras visited John Paul I in the Vatican, then John Paul II went to Constantinople, then Bartholomew visited John Paul II (the later had sceduled a visit, but he did not make it, cause of his illness and then death...). I can't remember of a John Paul visit to Demetrius... But, in any case, this is the first official visit in 1 thousand years... Hectorian 02:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. John Paul II's visit was to Demetrius (I think it was in the early '80s). What I fail to undestand is in what sense the forthcoming papal visit is official compared to the previous ones. As far as I know even during the Middle Ages very few popes visited Constantinople and these were not actually 'official' or brotherly visits, but after the invitation of the emperors, in order to settle questions of doctrine and ecclesiastical discipline. So if there is something special about this papal visit, it will probably the first of this kind in history. In any case this will certainly be of particular interest given the opinions expressed by the Turks for this pope and vice-versa. If the whole thing does take place at all.

[edit] Restructure

Just added a infobox and restructured the article. Didn't make any changes to the actual text, though. OrthodoxGuy 01:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "The Patriarch is a Turkish citizen with Greek ethnicity (See Istanbul Pogrom)"

Delirium, the wrong thing is not with the paranthesis, or the "see ..." format. The problem is that the link to Istanbul Pogrom article really doesn't belong to that paragraph, and is an instance of "see also" push people do when they feel angry about something in the past and they want to make it known by linking the article from every place possible. Adding a "see Istanbul Pogrom" to the Patriarch's biography just because he is of Greek origin is clearly an instance of this. It is also why the link stays in parantheses unlike the rest of the links in the paragraph, because there really isn't a clear mention of how this event relates to the Patriarch's biography. Atilim Gunes Baydin 15:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)