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[edit] Personnel

Shouldn't Ginger be under confirmed personnel? He played "This Is Halloween" with Marilyn Manson on Jay Leno so he's definitely part of the new lineup.

It hasn't been confirmed whether he actually played on the album, which is what this article is about. Beestung 15:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is Chris Vrenna listed as possible personnel? he was a touring drummer for a brief period of time, no more. User talk:69.215.98.132 14:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's any chance of Twiggy helping or participating on this albukm in anyway. And I recall someone saying that Ginger Fish was talking about the Eat Me, Drink Me cover art photoshoot. Saying that "They did the photoshoot last weekend." If this is accurate, this implies Ginger was at the photoshoot, and therefore is most likely still in the band for this album. This and his appearence on the This is Halloween preformance of the Jay Leno show seems to me to be enough evidence that Ginger is helping that we can add him to confirmed band members. I'll look for Ginger's statement about the photoshoot.

[edit] Release dates

Stop fucking putting the release date as February 2007 unless you have some magical fucking citations growing out your ass that I don't know of.

Also, march-may is a little redundant, as the release date is spring, and besides a span of two months is to vague and unknown to quote.

Yes, I agree, no particulars on release dates or anything else have yet been released to the public by Manson.

Though, Manson did state on the article that revealed the name that it was expected for Spring. (Let's hope '07)

Once again, conflicting release dates. In the box, it says rumored to come out in march 27th, yet in the article, the mtv website is quoted as march 23rd. We need to get our facts straight. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MarilynFireDown (talk • contribs) 23:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

I heard on the Atlanta rock station, Project 961, that the album will indeed be coming out on March 27th. The DJ who announced it was named Knox.

I believe it was a MTV website that originally said the release date in France or some other foreign country was March 23rd. But, on a more recent update, the release date was pushed back to a release date of the 27th of May. This was also in a European country, and is not the USA release date. Speculators on The Hierophant Council speculate it will come out late May, so this date seems probable.

June 19, 2007 - source?

Until someone sources the June 19 release or 70:01 length, it's not worth noting. R-Tiztik 20:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Revolver magazine says May Nickoladze 18:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Given that we have conflicting dates, I think 'late spring 2007' would be best here John R S 00:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, there seems to be an edit war starting over the release date between May and June. I would like to point out that note 1 cites that paragraph, and that source says in the last paragraph "Eat Me, Drink Me is tentatively scheduled for a May release". A newer source claiming otherwise should be cited after the sentence. -- Reaper X 21:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Well Nickoladze pointed out to me that the official site says June, so I have changed it back and cited it. -- Reaper X 22:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. :P Nickoladze 23:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Apart from the Revolver interview, the release date has been stated as the end of May here : http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=420 Goldenglove 09:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The article you (Goldenglove) linked to says that Manson will be headlining the tour with slayer at the end of May. It says separately that the album will be out in June. Also, I don't really have french skills but this article is either saying that Eat Me, Drink Me comes out on May 28, or "When the Heart Guides the Hand" does. R-Tiztik 22:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, did a mistake, it says there the album is due to come out in June. Goldenglove 07:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem there, now someone added June 12, 2007 (even though it is a June date and would make sense), but isn't sourced. I'm going to remove it in the meantime cuz if June 12 is in fact the release date then we'll be hearing about it sometime soon, at The Heirophant or some other source. R-Tiztik 15:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Where's May 28th coming from? John R S 23:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

"Marilyn Manson tourne en ce moment sous la direction de James Cameron le clip de "When The Heart Guides The Hand", premier extrait du nouvel album "Eat Me, Drink Me" qui sortira le 28 mai." from the Charts in France[1] article. R-Tiztik 01:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Look it was penciled in for May 29, the artwork was done in early Feb, the mixing late Feb and the single video shot late March. It's all in the can, that's why the French mag were able to listen to it. The release date was put back a week (to June 5th) because Manson cancelled four days of interviews with European magazines from Feb 14 - 18 because it was too much having to go over all the details of his shitty 2006. He's on the Henry Rollins show on the 13th of this month, the interview was filmed at the end of January, it should set some of this straight.



Just got this from the Heiro...http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/14048512/spring_music_preview_fifty_musthear_albums/3

shows a 6.5.07 release date (MarilynFireDown 08:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Track listing

Please people, stop adding random songs to this list because you have a feeling they might show up on the album. Nickoladze 04:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, come on! There is very little chance of that "Celebritarian Hymn" being included on the album! I know it was pure speculation to begin with, but now the word designating SPECULATION is gone! It was background music on a website for crying out loud! It's not happening...

Why? It could be a great intro song. Nickoladze 18:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, Marilyn Manson stated that he won't have filler on his album. I would class "Celebritarian Hymn" as filler.

Where did all these new 'confirmed tracks' come from? I'd remove them, but I'd like to first know if there was some sort of unlinked source... John R S 22:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

If you want to quote the Rolling Stone article to add track details, do it in a way that makes it clear that it is a QUOTE FROM ROLLING STONE, or a quote from Manson if the article was quoting him. Also, this is an article on the album, so we don't need tons of unnecessary junk about the tracks.John R S 18:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

IMHO: "Rebels Without Applause" = "The Red Carpet Grave". He's just change the name. And how do you think?

Looks like it, but better leave it the way it is until a full tracklist will be unveiled to public. Goldenglove 16:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone keeps removing the header that separates the POSSIBLE INCLUSIONS from the CONFIRMED INCLUSIONS. If there is no article out that specifically names the track and says it is on the album, it is NOT confirmed. John R S 02:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "This is Halloween"

Why would "This is Halloween" be on the promotional version? I can't recall any Manson album where a cover appeared on the promo version. The article should say that the track appearing on the standard version is improbable (but possibly on international versions), instead of the track appearing on the promotional version is probable. The latter is mere speculation whereas covers have actually been released on international versions of previous albums. If both claims haven't been exactly proven, then the details next to the track name might as well include the claim that's slightly more backed up. R-Tiztik 03:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "When the Heart Guides the Hand"

So now here's another conflict. "Putting Holes in Happiness" was mentioned twice in Rolling Stone as the album's first single. Manson has also been filming a short film (like Doppelherz was). So now "When the Heart Guides the Hand" comes up on a french site saying it's the first single even though "Putting Holes in Happiness" was already confirmed twice. I know nothing's solid when the album won't be out for 2 months but I mean, this was confirmed from interviews. "When the Heart Guides the Hand" is said to be filmed but there's no confirmation whether or not it will be on the album, unlike every other track in the Confirmed Working Titles which were confirmed as being on the album. I'm removing it from the Confirmed section, (especially seeing as whoever added it to Confirmed didn't have the courtesy to remove it from the Possible inclusions section). R-Tiztik 14:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I added info that When the Heart Guides the Hand will possibly the album's first single. Goldenglove 17:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Suicide girls stated that they believed the song was called "When The Heart Guides The Hand" but that they were not sure (http://suicidegirls.com/news/music/20729/)

The publisher of this particular post (Nixon) believed the song was actually called "Heart-Shaped Glasses", but added that she wasn't completely sure — she also mentioned that "You know how Manson is. The title is never as simple as the refrain," which could hint that "heart-shaped glasses" are part of the lyrics. It's not worth mentioning in the Eat Me, Drink Me article as of yet seeing how it's merely speculation. She also mentioned Evan Rachel Wood as Manson's "new girlfriend", but this might just be due to the multiple projects he and her are involved in ("When the Heart Guides the Hand", "Phantasmagoria", etc.), and seeing as how Manson has recently had his divorce and subsequent depression, this statement is entirely speculation and probably not worth considering. Probably. R-Tiztik 20:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Heart Shaped Glasses"

Found this on The Heirophant...it's replacing "When the Heart Guides the Hand"

Universal Music France has reported that the first single from Manson's new album "Eat Me, Drink Me" will be "Heart Shaped Glasses" (previously titled "When the Heart Guides the Hand") which we can expect to hear around mid April. Manson has also made a 3D video for "Heart Shaped Glasses" which is an extract from a 3D horror movie which Manson will continue filming at the beginning of 2008 with James Cameron.

The official release date in France for "Eat Me, Drink Me" will be Monday 4th June. There will be two editions available with one being a special collector’s edition.

http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=425

(MarilynFireDown 04:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC))

This title was what one of the SuicideGirls thought it to be as well, according to this article, more information about this above in the "When the Heart Guides the Hand" section. And on another note I can;t wait for the Collector's Edition hehehe. R-Tiztik 04:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mid-April, that's finally some great news. Goldenglove 13:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Eat Me, Drink Me"

Just because The Heirophant confirms the title track as in all capitals you think you should keep changing it back to reflect this, I suggest you do some reading regarding capitalization on Wikipedia first (WP:MOSCL, WP:MOSTM and WP:ALBUMS). R-Tiztik 20:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New songs unveiled

A few links unveiling new song titles: http://www.mansonnew.info/album08.php (in French)
http://www.mansonusa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46726 - The Heirophant thread
Seems there is a mistake concerning the name "I'm not your vampire" ('cos the description fits "If I was your Vampire"). Goldenglove 13:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unconfirmed track listings

The following track lists have been confirmed fake, with the exception of tracks 1-5:

Tomy comic's fake track listing:

  1. "Putting Holes in Happiness" – 4:35
  2. "When the Heart Guides the Hand" – 5:00
  3. "They Say Hell Is Not Hot" – 4:17
  4. "The Red Carpet Grave" – 4:47
  5. "I'm Not Your Vampire" – 6:01
  6. "Are You the Rabbit?" – 3:57
  7. "Just a Car Crash Away" – 4:55
  8. "Rebels Without Applause" – 3:36
  9. "You, Me and the Devil Makes 3" – 4:56
  10. "Himself" – 1:24
  11. "Celebritarian Hymn" – 3:50
  12. "The Point" – 5:07
  13. "Eat Me, Drink Me" – 1:46
  14. "This is Halloween" (Bonus track) – 3:22

The Heirophant's first fake track listing:

  1. "Putting Holes in Happiness" – 4:35
  2. "When the Heart Guides the Hand" – 5:00
  3. "They Say Hell Is Not Hot" – 4:17
  4. "The Red Carpet Grave" – 4:47
  5. "I'm Not Your Vampire" – 6:01
  6. "Are You the Rabbit?" – 3:57
  7. "Just a Car Crash Away" – 4:55
  8. "The Emptiness Inside" – 3:58
  9. "You, Me and the Devil Makes Three" – 4:36
  10. "Eat Me, Drink Me" – 4:22
  11. "Without a Rational Mind" – 3:59
  12. "Would You Drown With Me?" – 4:21
  13. "You'll Get What You Deserve" – 4:44
  14. "She Feels the Same" – 5:05

The Heirophant's second fake track listing:

  1. "Putting Holes in Happiness" – 4:35
  2. "When the Heart Guides the Hand" – 5:00
  3. "They Say Hell Is Not Hot" – 4:17
  4. "Red Carpet Grave" – 4:47
  5. "I'm Not Your Vampire" – 6:01
  6. "Are You the Rabbit?" – 3:57
  7. "Just a Car Crash Away" – 4:55
  8. "New Rose" – 4:44
  9. "You Take My Money" – 3:38
  10. "Is It a Dream" – 4:39


Any sources? R-Tiztik 19:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Up to '7.' is legit as it appeared in a French rock magazine (RockMag) who heard half the album. The rest is nonsense, the Celebritarian Hymn is a piece of flash music that would ruin the album, The Point is a Tim Skold demo from 2002, Himself and EMDM are fake intros that have been floating around on p2p services, as for RWA and YMatDM3, the former may not be one the album and though the latter is it's positioning is yet to be announced. To reiterate though, tracks 1-7 are confirmed as well as the lengths.

I KNEW "The Point" looked familiar haha R-Tiztik 17:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone added another "full tracklisting", I removed it. Goldenglove 07:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Stop reverting the tracklisting back to how it was before, the half album listing is correct.

Uhh, I think we've already clarified that? R-Tiztik 16:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Official Track Listing

Here it is: http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=426 Goldenglove 16:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to add though, They Say That Hell Is Not Hot is actually entitled They Said That Hell's Not Hot. Though RS doesn't agree with this (because they lifted their news from Blabbermouth who recieved the news from The Heirophant anyway) it has been revised into the tracklisting on The Heirophant.

[edit] Length

70:01 - source?

[edit] Album art

Where did this come from? It looks pretty legit (except that the album's not out for a while) which is why I'm wondering where it came from.. R-Tiztik 17:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't this look similar? Bela Lugosi's Dead Goldenglove 19:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hahahahaahahhaahha, alright good point. R-Tiztik 19:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The presumed album art in question compared to :Bauhaus's "Bela Lugosi's Dead" single.

No fair use images on talk pages, I have changed them to links. On the other hand, as a Bauhaus fan, I think the Bauhaus links need to be explained thoroughly and prominently. I have just lost what little respect I had left for Manson. J Milburn 21:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The album art they revealed is FAKE, if you haven't noticed already by reading this discussion. If you're too dense to notice it so far read this and you'll get your proof. Please stop adding the cover. It's a joke alteration of Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead" single. I don't know how much clearer I could put it.. R-Tiztik 01:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It's been uploaded again. How about semi-protecting this page? Goldenglove 15:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to protect pages. I added a template saying that unregistered/newly registered users can't edit the article, but I don't think that made it protected cuz some unregistered users were still editing it, and a bot removed the template. R-Tiztik 16:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I removed the fake artwork again after 'tomy comic' re-added it. John R S 17:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I have been warning the uploader and the guy that keeps adding it to this and the Marilyn Manson (band) article, Derpington (talk • contribs). I'm going to take him to admin intervention or somethin if he does it again. -- Reaper X 00:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Removed it again. I believe it was ubzar (talk • contribs) who added it this timee John R S 02:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Warning that Derpington was a good idea, I was thinking about doing it but I never got around to it. I keep adding a to the article saying to see this talk page before adding a cover but people seem to be too arrogant to bother listening.. Report these bastards haha. R-Tiztik 12:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Corrected the above use of the hidden comment, but in doing so, I killed the user's sig. I had to do it, it was hiding a lot of discussion. In other news, when I actually looked into it, I realised how fake that image was, and so tagged it as a hoax, and nominated it for deletion. Should be deleted any day now. J Milburn 20:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Another fake artwork has appeared. Removed it. Goldenglove 14:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Same fake artwork as last time, or a new one?

New one, it was the Manson photo which appeared on the website when the album's title was announced. Goldenglove 08:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Where did this come from? I believe it was Vadro who posted it. And it seems Tomy comic is back because he's constantly adding the fake artwork... Again. I gave him this message and I think it's incredibly fitting: [Please stop adding the fake cover to Eat Me, Drink Me your wasting the time of everyone else who benefitially contributes to the article and your edits are ultimately subject to reverts — with 100% purpose. Stop vandalizing the page please.] Hopefully that's the end there. R-Tiztik 15:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone's uploaded the good ol' edited Bela Lugos cover again. Goldenglove 15:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Tomy comic started that up yesterday and when I sent him a message telling him to cease constantly adding fake artwork he vandalized the shit out of my user page so I reported him. This article should REALLY be semi-protected, I think there are other active users of the article who can agree; I'm not sure how to protect it though. R-Tiztik 16:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I also thought it would be funny to list all the pathetic and futile attempts at Eat Me, Drink Me album art people have tried uploading that somehow haven't been deleted yet: this (my personal favorite hehehe), this, and this I've noticed so far. They're all unnecessary but I'm not sure how to request deletion of files.. Just thought it would be fun to point these out though. R-Tiztik 21:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The page is finally semi-protected) What a relief) 17:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh yess, thank you whoever finally semi-protected the page. should solve a lot of problems. R-Tiztik 18:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem) Goldenglove 13:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Single

Where did the 'putting holes in happiness' being the album's first single come from? John R S 23:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Manson wrote the album's first single, "Putting Holes In Happiness," oh his birthday, and describes it as "a romantic-misogynistic-cannibal-gothic-vampire ballad." from this article. R-Tiztik 00:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Didn't see that :) John R S 17:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It's no problem haha R-Tiztik 17:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eat Me, Drink Me Covers

So far 2 covers are rumoured to have been recorded during the album sessions (which is entirely believable considering Manson has tons of covers recorded during album sessions in his back-catalogue; besides the point though):

Can anyone source either of the two?? R-Tiztik 00:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

They are completely unsourced. Manson has never put a cover on one of his studio albums and there was no mention of any covers from those who have heard the unmastered version of the album. Absolute nonsense.

Yeah, they're currently unsourced but to support it with a reason like Manson having never put a cover on a studio album (with the exception of Smells Like Children being mostly a remix EP, I mean) isn't exactly concrete seeing as "Mind of a Lunatic" did make it as a b-side. Either of the 2 songs (given they were actually recorded) could be b-sides also and probably make it onto the "Putting Holes in Happiness" single like those 3 outtakes from The Golden Age of Grotesque made it onto the "mOBSCENE" single, also that album's first single, and in turn worth mentioning in the article. The shitty thing is they're unsourced and pointless to include for now :( .. I wouldn't mind a Bathory cover tho hehe R-Tiztik 19:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revolver interview.

Here's some info: http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=419 I'm too tired to add any of it today, please do it. There are some interesting facts, including an explanation for the album name. Goldenglove 19:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

also, they have the release date in that article as May and not June..

[edit] Synth ROCK????

No way Manson can be synth rock. Goldenglove 15:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Guitarist?

In the current issue of Revolver Magazine, it states that MM is looking for a new guitarist. Any word on who that guy is yet?

NopeGoldenglove 08:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Heirophant this The Heirophant that

Please mention REAL sources, "The Heirophant revealed" stuff is BS, they take informations from other sources, they are not the source.

Yeah, cuz you have a better source. The Heirophant reports this shit, if anything it's a compilation of PERFECT sources. You don't think they've had any experience on their own sources? Just because the articles locked and you aren't registered and therefore basically have no privilege of contributing to the article doesn't mean you be a dick with your vague 'Heirophant is irrelevant'-theory. R-Tiztik 18:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
No, I think he's right. The Heirophant just reposts information that is sent to them. But that's not a bad thing, maybe we should cite the original sources? MarilynFireDown 18:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
If the original sources are included with the respective Heirophant report, then it's almost the same thing as including the link to the Heirophant source, because someone will want to see the source, they'll click the link to the Heirophant, they'll read the report and at the bottom or wherever they'll see their source (like I said, if one is included). So basically if you want to see their source you just click that link they give, it's all about what site you're looking at. Either way in that case, there is a source. They usually say where they got the information though , so I don't see what the problem is. The only unsourced report I can think of is the track listing confirmation, if I remember correct. R-Tiztik 19:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Now we've got a source for that too: Rolling Stone Blog Goldenglove 11:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
That RS article ultimately links back to The Heirophant. Click the Blabbermouth link and read that source's source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A ham sandwich (talk • contribs) 14:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
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