Talk:East Turkestan

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"Xinjiang" offends my moral sense.

That and $5 will get you a latte.

It shouldn't be in Wikipedia.

Sure it should. Salsa Shark 22:08 Mar 17, 2003 (UTC)

Maybe we should say that it is it's own republic--occupied by the Peoples Republic of China, who call it Xinjiang! Dawit

Maybe we should say something that doesn't totally destroy the NPOV policy? Scurra 17:47, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

East Turkestan is a "republic"? In present tense?

According to this page, there was two East Turkestan, the first was declared in 1932, then it was destroyed and dissolved in 1934. The second one was declared in 1944, but PRC destroyed it in 1949.

Now East Turkestan is merely a name used by those separationists. The whole area is controlled by PRC which called it Xinjiang Autonomous Region. --Lorenzarius 12:33, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

(to village pump audience:) Does anyone know much about East Turkestan/Xinjiang? I can't say I do, but the article doesn't look very NPOV, and it keeps getting added to lists of countries, List of national flags, that sort of thing when it appears to just be a Chinese province. Scurra 17:54, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The matter is definitely a controversial one. While the area is certainly recognised internationally as part of China, it has a fairly strong independence movement - not nearly as well known in the West as the Tibetan one is, but of a similar background. Even the name "Xinjiang" is regarded as objectionable by many of the independence-seekers, as it's a Chinese (not Uighur) term, and means something like "new borderland", "new province", or "new frontier". So I would anticipate disputes over how to describe it. I imagine that the eventual solution will resemble that for Tibet (whatever that might be). As for the current situation - I agree that the East Turkestan article could probably use some work, yes. And the Xinjiang article should probably talk a bit more about the separatist movements. -- Vardion 23:17, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

1 Cultural extent
2 Disambiguation?
3 Article split
4 Flag of East Turkestan

[edit] Cultural extent

Is the cultural extent of Xinjiang and the political boundary of autonomous region of Xinjiang the same? Like the case of Tibet and Tibet Autonomous Region, and Manchuria.

Please reply at Talk:Xinjiang#Cultural_extent. Thanks . — Insta ntnood 08:37, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation?

I realize this may be treading onto sensitive political ground, but would it make more sense to split this entry into 1) the historical First and Second East Turkistan Republics, which while not recognized by Chinese authorities were real governing bodies for at least a time, and which feed into the 2) broader concept of East Turkistan as a homeland for the Uyghur people (i.e., an expansion of what's in stub form at Uyghuristan), which in turn influences 3) separatist/independence politics in what is currently the Chinese-administered territory of Xinjiang (which has barely any mention of the political situation there at all right now, perhaps reflecting the geographical orientation of the article)?

Just an idea. --MC MasterChef 23:46, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Absolutely. I agree. -- ran (talk) 23:50, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Is this the kind of thing that needs a vote, or should I just wait a few days to see if there's any objections before making the changes? --MC MasterChef 00:15, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't think you need a vote. Articles on the two historical republics would be welcome in any case. So would an article on the independence movement. -- ran (talk) 00:25, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

I've started in on First East Turkistan Republic, primarily working with Xinjiang: China's Muslim Borderland (ISBN 0765613182) as my source. I've also created a WikiProject on the WikiProject Uyghurs of Western China (which is basically just a rough outline idea right now) for coordinating information on Xinjiang, Uyghurs, and the area's politics and history, if anyone would be interested in taking part. --MC MasterChef 14:46, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I removed the reference to http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/archives/1999/10/12/0000006151, because in this article, according to Erkin Ekrem, 5 leaders of this government were died in a plane crash and were kidnapped and executed in Moscow. It is rediculous. Skyflier

[edit] Article split

As there have been no objections, I've split this article into five separate concepts. The archive of the original material, which should be migrated over to the new articles shortly, is located here. --MC MasterChef 16:54, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)